This age?

[percho]

Eph 6:12 YLT because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

The world rulers of the darkness of this age. What age? When did this age begin? I assume, the evil in the heavenly places is what the world rulers operate by.

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Gen 1:2-5 YLT the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light, that good and God separateth between the light and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.
1 John 1:5 YLT And this is the message that we have heard from Him, and announce to you, that God is light, and darkness in Him is not at all;
Gen 1:27.31 YLT And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them. And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day the sixth.
Matt 19:4,5 YLT And he answering said to them, 'Did ye not read, that He who made them, from the beginning a male and a female made them, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall be -- the two -- for one flesh?
Luke 20:34 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage,
Acts 26:18 YLT to open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the authority of the Adversary unto God, for their receiving forgiveness of sins, and a lot among those having been sanctified, by faith that is toward me.

Is that the age of darkness being spoken of in Eph 6:12?
Is that the age we are presently a part of?

Who are the rulers of the darkness of this age receiving their powers of darkness from?

When is there a change in age?

but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; Luke 20:35 YLT

Rev 22:5 YLT and night (darkness per Gen 1:5) shall not be there, and they have no need of a lamp and light of a sun, because the Lord God doth give them light, and they shall reign -- to the ages of the ages.

What do you think was the cause of that darkness in verse 2 of Genesis 1 that will be no more in the future?

 

[percho]

Will the world (Kosmos) change when the age changes?

What will be different in the world (Kosmos)?


for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world (kosmos), by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead -- to their being inexcusable; Rom 1:20
for the earnest looking out of the creation (1:20) doth expect the revelation of the sons of God; for to vanity was the creation (1:20) made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope, that also the creation (1:20) itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God;

 

[percho]

Acts 15:14 Simeon did declare how at first God did look after to take out of the nations a people for His name,

Which age does this fall under?

Acts 14:16,17
After these things,
I will turn back, and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright -- that the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things.

Which age does that fall under?

VERSE 18 'Known from the ages to God are all His works;

 

[Van]

Current age is the age of the New Covenant in His blood. The age will end when Christ returns. Your job is to hasten the day...

 

[SavedByGrace]

the world-rulers

what would help if we had the correct rendering of the Greek, which here is, κοσμοκράτωρ, which means "lord of the world".

Paul tells is in 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them". And in John 12:31, Jesus says, "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out". And John in his First Letter says, "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one" (5:19)

All referring to the devil, and his evil work. I don't know why any translation would refer Eph 6:12 to "world rulers", when they are merely pawns of the devil, if they do not follow the Ways of the Lord.

 

[timtofly]

Can an age be as short as 42 months?

 

[Dave G]

Current age is the age of the New Covenant in His blood. The age will end when Christ returns.

Amen.

Your job is to hasten the day...

How do God's children hasten ( speed up ) what only the Father's will and His purposes are in control of ( Daniel 4:35, Matthew 24:36-39 )?

 

[Dave G]

What do you think was the cause of that darkness in verse 2 of Genesis 1 that will be no more in the future?

I see two types of darkness described in the Scriptures, Pancho...

Spiritual darkness as described in Acts of the Apostles 26:18, Romans 1:21, Ephesians 4:18, Ephesians 6:12, and Colossians 1:13...
and physical darkness as described in Genesis 1:2-4, Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33.

That said, I see that the cause of darkness in Genesis 1 was a lack of physical light, which the Lord remedied by creating light on the first day.
The cause of darkness in Ephesians 6 is disobedience to God in our hearts as men, and our willful desire to live in it and not to seek the light of His commandments and wisdom.

The darkness described in Genesis 1 will not be present in the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21:22-27.
But neither will the darkness that is described in Ephesians 6:12 and all the rest.

 

[percho]

Can an age be as short as 42 months?

I can't find it. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[percho]

what would help if we had the correct rendering of the Greek, which here is, κοσμοκράτωρ, which means "lord of the world".

Paul tells is in 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them". And in John 12:31, Jesus says, "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out". And John in his First Letter says, "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one" (5:19)

All referring to the devil, and his evil work. I don't know why any translation would refer Eph 6:12 to "world rulers", when they are merely pawns of the devil, if they do not follow the Ways of the Lord.

From κόσμος (G2889) > The KJV translates Strong's G2889 in the following manner: world (186x), adorning (1x). and κρατέω (G2902) > The KJV translates Strong's G2902 in the following manner: hold (12x), take (9x), lay hold on (8x), hold fast (5x), take by (4x), lay hold upon (2x), lay hand on (2x), miscellaneous (5x).

That is exactly my point, the darkness of this age which I contend began at the beginning (from 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.) and with the children of Adam as his pawns, other than those called of God for the purpose of God, unto the Son of God, manifested (balance of 1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.)

What was, that good, God saw in the light and why was it separated from the darkness. Was it because the darkness was of that evil one?

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

There is a contrast there and it isn't just light and darkness,

 

[SavedByGrace]

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

which also includes Jesus

 

[Martin Marprelate]

My understanding is that 'this age' (Gk. aion) is the whole time between the Fall and the Return of Christ at 'the end of the age' (Matthew 12:32). Aion tends to be translated as 'world' in the KJV which is not always helpful.

With the first coming of Christ, the age to come has broken in upon the present age in the form of the kingdom of God (c.f. Galatians 1:4). Therefore we are told no longer to be conformed to the present age (Romans 12:2) since we are no longer part of it, which is why Paul sees us as already seated in the heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6-7) because that is where we are through our union with Christ.

 

[Van]

Amen.
How do God's children hasten ( speed up ) what only the Father's will and His purposes are in control of ( Daniel 4:35, Matthew 24:36-39 )?

Calvinism denies scripture after scripture including God's use of believers to carry out His purpose and plan. Can anyone image denying born anew believers are Christ's ambassadors with the ministry of reconciliation?

 

[Dave G]

Calvinism denies scripture after scripture including God's use of believers to carry out His purpose and plan.

The Bible does indeed teach that God uses believers to carry out His purposes and plans.
But how does that equate to believers being able to speed up things by "working harder", if they are His purposes and plans?

Can anyone image denying born anew believers are Christ's ambassadors with the ministry of reconciliation?

Born again believers are God's people, and His apostles were given the ministry of their being reconciled to God by the death of His Son.

But again, how does any of what you stated support the idea that Christians can hasten the day of the Lord's coming,
if it is in the mind of the Father alone to know that day and hour, and Daniel 4:35 is very specific...

Man's wishes don't factor into His purposes and plans;
They are His to execute.

 

[Van]

The Bible does indeed teach that God uses believers to carry out His purposes and plans.
But how does that equate to believers being able to speed up things by "working harder", if they are His purposes and plans?

Born again believers are God's people, and His apostles were given the ministry of their being reconciled to God by the death of His Son.

But again, how does any of what you stated support the idea that Christians can hasten the day of the Lord's coming,
if it is in the mind of the Father alone to know that day and hour, and Daniel 4:35 is very specific...

Man's wishes don't factor into His purposes and plans;
They are His to execute.

Once again you deny scripture based on man-made doctrine. We are to hasten the day. Full Stop
And once again, you claim God has fixed the future, when scripture says we can alter the future.
And once again, Daniel 4:35 say our actions must be in accord with God, and hastening the day fits His will.

 

[Dave G]

Once again you deny scripture based on man-made doctrine. We are to hasten the day. Full Stop

I'd be grateful if you'd list the Scriptures that state that believers can actually speed up God's plans by their actions.
Until then, I maintain that not only can His will and purposes not be thwarted or influenced by mere men, they will take place in His time and according to those very purposes...not our will and purposes.

And once again, you claim God has fixed the future, when scripture says we can alter the future.

Where?

And once again, Daniel 4:35 say our actions must be in accord with God, and hastening the day fits His will.

Then please post the Scriptures that declare it.
Thank you in advance.

 

[Van]

I'd be grateful if you'd list the Scriptures that state that believers can actually speed up God's plans by their actions.

Where?

Then please post the Scriptures that declare it.
Thank you in advance.

Are we to believe the denier is incapable of finding the scripture that says "hasten the day?" Or is he simply pretending ignorance to hinder actual discussion?

 

[Dave G]

Are we to believe the denier is incapable of finding the scripture that says "hasten the day?"

It was a simple question for the benefit of the reader, Van.
If you are unable to list the Scriptures that state this, then I understand it to be a privately-held conclusion of yours, and not an actual teaching of God's word.

Or is he simply pretending ignorance to hinder actual discussion?

I didn't think that it was out of line to ask you for Scriptural support.
Can you produce it?

 

[Van]

It was a simple question for the benefit of the reader, Van.
If you are unable to list the Scriptures that state this, then I understand it to be a privately-held conclusion of yours, and not an actual teaching of God's word.

I didn't that think that it was out of line to ask you for Scriptural support.
Can you produce it?

Here we see once again the effort to avoid the subject of the thread, and instead hurl insults...
Sounds like something learned at Westminster Seminary.
Here is a novel idea, address the topic, and provide support for a fixed future where nothing happens by chance. And no one hastens the day.

Hastening the Day

Current age is the age of the New Covenant in His blood. The age will end when Christ returns. Your job is to hasten the day...

 

[Dave G]

Here we see once again the effort to avoid the subject of the thread, and instead hurl insults...

With respect, I haven't avoided the subject of the thread, Van.
I made a statement, you replied to it and then you proceeded to tell me that Scripture said something that you seem unwilling to provide support for.

As for insulting you, I have done no such thing.
If I have, would you please point it out by quoting it?

Sounds like something learned at Westminster Seminary.

I've never attended a Bible college.