In Denunciation of Denials of the Future Bodily Resurrection of the Dead

[Yeshua1]

No, the Bible does not teach that every time a soul leaves this body, it receives the resurrection incorruptible body immediately. You are setting forth unbiblical views.

Correct, as that will happen at the Second Coming event!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, Paul does not say that absent from the body is to be present in a permanent body. You are seriously distorting the Scripture.

Your claims about those in Paradise are unbiblical and have no merit.

We shall be with Lord Jesus, bit not clothed in immortal bodily bodies yet!

 

[percho]

Paul also declares that at physical death resurrection is realized. It was only future until Paul physically died. Paul has not been agonizing and yearning for the resurrection for 1900+ years. No physical person on earth in a corruptible body prevented his resurrection, not even with their theology. That is the blessed hope that has been realized for the majority of the church.

Wrong thread

 

[atpollard]

You ended one of your earlier posts with this question: "Is it fair to call a body that walks through doors and appears and disappears from a location a 'Spirit'?"

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Jesus' body did those things, and it was not a spirit! He had flesh and bones in His resurrected physical body. He explicitly answers your question with a resounding "no."

OK.
Game. Set. Match. on that one.

 

[Yeshua1]

OK.
Game. Set. Match. on that one.

That single passage blows up full preterism!

 

[timtofly]

Why?

Describe a ghost to me, and then describe what it's body can do. (appear and disappear, pass through solid objects)
... If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, why is it "not fair to ever call it a duck"?

In our carnal reality we are comfortable thinking of the spiritual as less "real" than the physical.
I merely ask if it is possible that the spiritual is more "real" than than the perishable flesh that now entraps us?

[At least your topic seems to be back on track, which is all I hoped to assist with.]

The soul is not a ghost. Some like to use the term "ghost in the machine". The soul is separate, but not a ghost. What Jesus could do with His body was about being God, and not material at all. No one should see a demon either. Just the effects. Jesus could also leave time altogether. The spirit part is about physical light, not a ghost like ability. The term spirit is used in the Greek term pneuma meaning force or breath, like the wind. That is the Holy Spirit as physically relatable. Our own spirit is not a ghost but light as in God is Light. It wraps around the body as a robe of white. Jesus displayed this spirit on the Mount of Transfiguration, where His outer appearance became a blinding light. He appeared to Paul in that form. Moses after being with God on the mountain had to cover his face as he to was also starting to glow. It seems Moses was physically changed after spending that time with God directly. So the spirit we are separated from is also physically part of creation. We just cannot see the spiritual half of creation in these corruptible bodies.

 

[timtofly]

The Bible does not teach what you are saying. It is nonsensical to say, "At the Second Coming, the physical dead are still walking around on earth." Physically dead people do not do anything.

Your corruptible body is a dead body. It was the death that resulted from Adam disobeying God. Adam did die that day physically. The incorruptible body is eternal life physically. The first resurrection is a type, not a when. It deals with the physical body. This dead physical corruptible body has to die or be changed into an incorruptible body. So it needs to be literally resurrected, because to God, it is dead. Resurrection is literally the soul entering the permanent incorruptible, not made by human hands. Meaning a body not genetically passed down from Adam, of dead flesh.

 

[timtofly]

False. We do not get an incorruptible permanent body immediately at death.

Being present with the Lord is to be absent from the body and present with Him in our spirits. The text does not say that being present with the Lord is to be with Him immediately in a new body.

The text says nothing about "spirit" moving in and out of bodies. That is a man made interpretation. The soul is not our spirit. Our soul is dead physically in corruptible bodies. Our soul is dead spiritually because we are separated from our spirit and have the Holy Spirit as credit until rejoined to our spirit. A dead spirit is a demon. Our spirit is not dead, unless our soul is reprobate, and has totally rejected God and the Holy Spirit along with the Atonement. Those who accept the future mark of the beast, are examples of reprobate humans who take the mark and are removed from the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

The text says nothing about "spirit" moving in and out of bodies. That is a man made interpretation. The soul is not our spirit. Our soul is dead physically in corruptible bodies. Our soul is dead spiritually because we are separated from our spirit and have the Holy Spirit as credit until rejoined to our spirit. A dead spirit is a demon. Our spirit is not dead, unless our soul is reprobate, and has totally rejected God and the Holy Spirit along with the Atonement. Those who accept the future mark of the beast, are examples of reprobate humans who take the mark and are removed from the Lamb's book of life.

This is wrong teaching that has no Bible to back it up.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

The soul is not a ghost. Some like to use the term "ghost in the machine". The soul is separate, but not a ghost. What Jesus could do with His body was about being God, and not material at all. No one should see a demon either. Just the effects. Jesus could also leave time altogether. The spirit part is about physical light, not a ghost like ability. The term spirit is used in the Greek term pneuma meaning force or breath, like the wind. That is the Holy Spirit as physically relatable. Our own spirit is not a ghost but light as in God is Light. It wraps around the body as a robe of white. Jesus displayed this spirit on the Mount of Transfiguration, where His outer appearance became a blinding light. He appeared to Paul in that form. Moses after being with God on the mountain had to cover his face as he to was also starting to glow. It seems Moses was physically changed after spending that time with God directly. So the spirit we are separated from is also physically part of creation. We just cannot see the spiritual half of creation in these corruptible bodies.

More unbiblical statements.