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I believe in a general redemption. I also understand redemption is particular when it comes to being saved. Now the Puritan John Owen in his book, The Death of Death in the Death of Christ, makes a near exhaustive case against the notion of general redemption. But they are not concise but long arguments. This work needs nevertheless to be understood, it is that important. I am not done studying this work.
 
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37818 said:
I believe in a general redemption. I also understand redemption is particular when it comes to being saved. Now the Puritan John Owen in his book, The Death of Death in the Death of Christ, makes a near exhaustive case against the notion of general redemption. But they are not concise but long arguments. This work needs nevertheless to be understood, it is that important. I am not done studying this work.
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There is a small paperback , might even be available online.
Redemption,Accomplished, and a Applied....by John Murray that.might of help your study.

http://www.gbcroc.org/Outlines/Redemption_Accomplished_and_Applied_John_Murray.pdf
 
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Part I: Redemption Accomplished
Redemption Accomplished and Applied
Chapter 1: The Necessity of the Atonement The Source of the Atonement
The Reason or Necessity of the Atonement
Chapter 2: The Nature of the Atonement
A Comprehensive Category for the Atonement
John Murray
Two Distinct Aspects of the Lord’s vicarious obedience Categories of the Atonement Application
Chapter 3: The Perfection of the Atonement Arguments against Roman imperfect atonement Features of the finished work of Christ
Chapter 4: The Extent of the Atonement For whom did Christ make atonement? On whose behalf did Christ offer Himself a sacrifice? The Doctrine of Limited or Definite Atonement defended The Doctrine of Limited or Definite Atonement attacked
Chapter 5: Conclusion
The Bible is the one source and norm for the Atonement.
The existence of temptation to bring the Atonement in terms of our human experiences. The lost will eternally suffer in the satisfaction of justice. Perish the thought that “there is a Gethsemane hid in all love’ It is the spectacle of Gethsemane and Calvary
Part II: Redemption Applied
Chapter 1: The Order of Application God’s Provision Fruits of Redemption The Order of Redemption
Chapter 2: Effectual Calling Types of Calls
Distinctions of Effectual Calling
Chapter 3: Regeneration The Call Answered
Chapter 4: Faith and Repentance Regeneration inseparable from its effects Faith Repentance
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There are some serious problems with that article.

"How can one dead in trespasses and sins answer of the Call of God?"

The word of God is living, Hebrews 4:12. And it's hearing gives faith, Romans 10:17.
 
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There are some serious problems with that article.

"How can one dead in trespasses and sins answer of the Call of God?"

The word of God is living, Hebrews 4:12. And it's hearing gives faith, Romans 10:17.
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How did Lazarus, who was physically dead, answer the call of God?

Is anything too hard for God?
 
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The more I study this the more sure my understanding of the redemption being both for a general and a particular redemption. To judge both the dead Revelation 20:11-15 and the living Revelation 20:4-6, Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10-11.
 
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The more I study this the more sure my understanding of the redemption being both for a general and a particular redemption. To judge both the dead Revelation 20:11-15 and the living Revelation 20:4-6, Romans 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:10-11.
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Please define what you mean by general redemption!
 
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Only after faith. Romans 1:16.
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Before faith.
Hebrews 12:2
Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Romans 1:16 says nothing about faith coming first. In fact it confirms God first, faith second.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
 
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Particular Redemption aka Limited Atonement.
General Redemption aka Unlimited Atonement.
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thanks, thought that you might be meaning general ion the sense that all will get the resurrection now, just some to heaven and others to hell!
 
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Before faith.
Hebrews 12:2
Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Romans 1:16 says nothing about faith coming first. In fact it confirms God first, faith second.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
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Acts of the Apostles 16:31, ". . . Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, . . ."
Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; . . ."
 
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37818 said:
Acts of the Apostles 16:31, ". . . Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, . . ."
Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; . . ."
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These verses do not address the issue in question. They are not saying what you think they are.
 
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"37818,

Particular Redemption aka Limited Atonement.
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This is a definite work of God. It saves a multitude of sinners who the Father has given to the Son.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;
and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

General Redemption aka Unlimited Atonement.
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Can you explain your view of this"general atonement, in light of jn 6:37?
 
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Saving faith is a gift from God. . . .
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That is an interpertation. That is no where so stated in the word of God.

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General Redemption....could you define that?John Owen's term.

Is it actual redemption? Yes per 1 John 2:2, which John Owen denies has that meaning.

Does it Redeem? Does Christ redeem?

Or only potential? Was for only those who never accept Christ.

Who are the objects? The whole world per 1 John 2:2.
 
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