Isaiah 48 and The Holy Trinity

I will show my understanding, however please do not ask me to apply to the above for I do not know that I can.

Deut 6:4 YLT 'Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

I believe that, "speaking," is a Holy, of Spirit God ( 'ĕlōhîm ) Jehovah (YHWH).

Now at the time that was spoken, was Jehovah our God;

A. Spirit the God, the Father and the Son of God of flesh
B. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; John 1:1,2 YLT of Holy Spirit

I believe B.

I believe it is B who Jesus told those in John 8:54 that they called their God and he had said was his Father. And as you stated in another thread this conversation in John 8 comes from the burning bush story where, :their," God, the same God of Deut 6:4 speaks (Word) of being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and says in verse 14 literally, "I Will Be Who I Will Be".

The Word was with God, and the Word was God, then through the virgin Mary; John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
Gal 4:4 NKJV But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[fn] of a woman, born under the law,

God the Father and the Son of God, The Son being I Am. YHWH The Father also YHWH

The Son of God died was dead for three days then the Father Spirit the God raised him up out of the dead, then Acts 2:33
at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

He shed forth the Holy Spirit YHWH

John 7:39 YLT and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

I pray that is fair to the OP. I feel it is but you may feel differently. If so I apologize.

 

John 18:20 “I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied.
“I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.

The Speaker is Jesus.

 

Thanks for the response.

How relative to my post?

Let me add however I don't think it changes my post.

John 14:9,10 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

"before the time that it was, there was I"
(htwyh tem) "ex tempore antequam fieret", V. L.
"nondum existente tempore horum eventuum", Forerius.;


Are you saying this is not True?:
Christ existed before His Incarnation before He appeared as the great Prophet in Israel;

Are you saying this is not True?
Christ existed as the Word and Son of God from all eternity, and was with God His Father from everlasting;

Are you saying this is not True?
He was by Him, and brought up with Him, and lay in His bosom so early:

Because

and now the Lord God and His Spirit hath sent Me;
in the fulness of time, in the likeness of sinful flesh, to preach the Gospel, fulfil the law, and to redeem and save the Lord's people.

Are you saying this is not True?

in the fulness of time, in the likeness of sinful flesh, to preach the Gospel, fulfil the law, and to redeem and save the Lord's peopl

 

I don't think I said any of those things. I believe these scriptures are very clear.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matt 16:13-16

Now let me ask. Was Jesus actually the seed of David, of Abraham? Was Jesus eternally the seed of David, of Abraham?

 

Yep.

I was following with the OP, mostly. I'll ask them.

 

Are you saying this is not True?:
Christ existed before His Incarnation before He appeared as the great Prophet in Israel;

Are you saying this is not True?
Christ existed as the Word and Son of God from all eternity, and was with God His Father from everlasting;

Are you saying this is not True?
He was by Him, and brought up with Him, and lay in His bosom so early:

Because

and now the Lord God and His Spirit hath sent Me;
in the fulness of time, in the likeness of sinful flesh, to preach the Gospel, fulfill the law, and to redeem and save the Lord's people.

Are you saying this is not True?

in the fulness of time, in the likeness of sinful flesh, to preach the Gospel, fulfill the law, and to redeem and save the Lord's people?

and that, as percho says, "Jesus actually the seed of David, of Abraham? Was Jesus eternally the seed of David, of Abraham?"

Or are your 'teachers' telling you these things?

 

"Into thy Hands I commend My Spirit".
Luke 23:46
Psalm 31:5

It's OK that Jesus, as God, was Alive and Left The Cross, Alive, right?

 

The Office of God the Father, in The Trinity, is God The Father.

God the Son, in The Office of The Second Person, King, Priest, Temple, and Israel, is The Messiah, Savior, Sent.

The Holy Spirit Accomidates the Sending of Jesus Christ, in the Office of The Third Person in The Trinity.

As long as The Spirit did not 'create' Jesus ( He Created Job)
and the Holy Spirit is not a girl ('feminine) (but as 'Paternal' in the Nurturing and bringing "up' and forth, of Jesus Christ, understood in the sense befitting The Godhead (Proverbs 8).

 

There are hundreds of pages of Divine Distinctions and Variations.

I have written and edited hundreds of blogs on the subjects, below:

A BODY OF DOCTRINAL DIVINITY


BOOK I.
OF GOD, HIS WORD, NAMES, NATURE, PERFECTIONS, AND PERSONS.


† Of the Unity of God
† Of a Plurality in the Godhead
† Of the Personal Relations in Deity
† Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Father
† Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Son
† Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit

~~~~~~

BOOK II.
OF THE ACTS AND WORKS OF GOD

Of the Internal Acts of God, and of his Decrees in general
† Of the Special Decrees of God, particularly of Election
† Of the Rejection of some Angels and some Men
† Of the Union of the Elect to God
† Of Adoption as an Immanent Act
† Of the Everlasting Council
† Of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace
† Of the Part the Father took in the Covenant
† Of the Part the Son of God took in the Covenant
† Of Christ as the Covenant Head of the Elect
† Of Christ the Surety of the Covenant
† Of the Love of God
† Of Christ the Testator of the Covenant
† Of the Concern the Spirit has in the Covenant
† Of the Properties of the Covenant
† Of the Complacency and Delight the Divine Persons had in each other from everlasting


Dive deep in this:
The Concern The Spirit Of God Has
In The Covenant Of Grace

His By Grace--"John Gill: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity"-Doctrinal Book 2, Chapter 14

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I believe everyone's "5-Points" of sound Biblical Interpretation should include these and a hundred more "Points", to really reach out there a touch people with THE TRUTH.

 

I am wondering what those who taught you are trying to eliminate.

It looks like the hundreds of pages of a couple of dozen points they chose to skip.

If so, they dive deeper and come up dryer than the dust on Satan's feet.

The Godhead Contains an ORDER.

The Godhead is Co-Equal in Nature and Essence.

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The Bible does not 'word things wrong'.

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Jesus Christ WAS NOT CREATED.

He is Wisdom all the way through Proverbs 8.

"Then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him:
and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him";
Proverbs 8:30

How long was Jesus God the Father's Daily Delight?

........................Always.....................

 

Exactly where do you think/believe, Jesus , thou art the Christ the Son of the living God, went?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor 15:3
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:9

What was Jesus Christ, as, at this time. Did Jesus Christ die or not for our sins. He certainly did not die for his own. Exactly how long do you think/believe Jesus Christ was dead for our sins? Exactly how long do you believe, death, had dominion over Jesus Christ?

For the life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Lev 17:11
all in whose nostrils is breath of a living spirit -- of all that is in the dry land -- have died. Gen 7:22
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63 ======== Spirit makes flesh, soul living, Gen 2:7 Lev 17:11
Jesus Christ came in flesh not in spirit. 1 John 4:2 1 Cor 15:46


Rabbit Trail.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9,10
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

How many hours would you guess, death, had dominion over Jesus Christ?

 

Dunno. https://www.google.com/search?q=thr...ome..69i57.38792j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I do know, in spite of Dr.Stanley saying it a lot, "God" did not die.

Jesus' Body Died.

Jesus' Spirit Went to be with God, in Heaven.

 

from: Were the three days and three nights that Jesus was in the grave a full 72 hours? | Bible.org:

"Note, they said, “until the third day, not until the fourth.”

"Matthew could have used a Greek construction here which would have stressed through (duration) the third day, but using the preposition eo„s with the genitive, it basically meant “till or up to” and does not stress the idea of duration meaning “through.”

"The genitive case typically stresses during, at, or within a time range. Had the accusative been used alone or with a different proposition, it could have stressed extent or duration of time."

"It is probably significant that

“Every occurrence of the ‘the third day’

with reference to Jesus’ resurrection in the Gospels is put in the dat. (dative case) without an accompanying preposition” (Dan Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basic, Zondervan, p. 156).

"The significance of this is that nouns used in the dative case like “the third day” express a point in time rather than duration of time.

"So it means, “at a point in time, on the third day.”

 

From the article above.

There has been a long standing debate over the meaning of Matthew 12:40, “for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster,

Alan, let me ask a few questions.

Jezebel Is Slain
2 Kings 9:33,34 And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trode her under foot. And when he was come in, he did eat and drink, and said, Go, see now this cursed woman, and bury her: for she is a king's daughter.

When did Jezebel enter Sheol / Hades?

Now from the post above, "for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster."

According to scripture where was Jonah considered to be?

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Jonah 2:1,2 NKJV Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish’s belly. And he said:

“I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.

“Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.

Sheol / Hades

As Jonah was, so shall the Son of Man be.

According to scripture; By resurrection, where was the soul of Jesus not left to?
Acts 2:31 NKJV “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

When did the soul enter Hades?

The word of God does not state the hour of the day when Jesus was made alive but that on the first day of the week while it was still dark the tomb was empty.

In three days, on the third day and after three days could all be inclusive in three days and three night relative to that above.

Could it not?