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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Apr 24, 2021.

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  1. SavedByGrace

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    What does a person being a branch cast into a fire to be burned mean?
    1 John 3:6 to interpert John 15:6.
     
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    This debate will never end either way. Till the Lord Returns :)
     
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    Refers to something that was not producing ANY fruit or evidence of new life in Christ!
     
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    but it was a "branch"!
     
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    Faithless branch in Israel, broken off and replaced by a Gentile one!
     
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    John 15 is not talking about Israel but unfaithful believers
     
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    Not the same type of brance. A in the vine being Christ versus an olive tree (With Israel, Ephesians 2:12).
     
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    Abiding in Christ means that one is saved, so the one not found in Christ thrown away, as not saved!
     
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    All saved are found abiding in Christ, as he is the source of their eternal life!
     
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    Then salvation can be lost, John 15:2, John 15:6, but were really never saved 1 John 3:6.
     
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    The Bibles truth is not a false doctrine, MB. You are prejudiced against the gospel of grace as you teach the gospel of law...the thing that Paul called anathema. You are not speaking for your King.
     
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    The completion of your definition. You are simply unwilling to follow your assertion to its end. In short, you are too lazy to test your assertion and admit you are wrong. That is pride on your part. You would rather not study your assertion than admit you misspoke.
     
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    I recognize you are abusively misunderstanding Jesus words to his chosen disciples at the last supper. You create a false doctrine from verses you do not understand.
     
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    John 10:29

    My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

    Am I seeing something that is not there?
     
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    Has the gospel remained in Israel or has it gone to the whole world?
     
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    Amyraldianism teaches basically what (37818) teaches.

    Amyraldianism cannot explain how God can be just in punishing unbelievers eternally for the same sins for which Christ supposedly offered Himself. B. B. Warfield asks, “if this obstacle [i.e., their sin] is removed, are they not saved? Some other obstacles must be invented.”45 The Amyraldian cannot answer that they are damned on account of their unbelief, for, if Christ died for all their sins, that includes their unbelief.

    by Martyn J McGeown. Amyraldianism refuted.
     
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    The problem really is that Calvinism is not biblical doctrine. You've never shown proof that it is. It comes from Augustine and the Catholic church, not the Bible
    MB.
     
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    The P in TULIP is Biblical!
     
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