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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by canadyjd, May 16, 2021.

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    His reign on Earth will be punctuated by the Judgement, Revelation 20:11, ". . . And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. . . ."
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    Psalms 104:5, "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."
    A New Heaven and New Earth, Revelation 21:1.
    1 Corinthians 15:26-28. Revelation 20:14.
     
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    No, His second coming immediate precedes the final judgme
    Matthew 24:29 speaks of the Second coming of Christ, in glory, with His angels, collecting His elect from the earth, after the “tribulation”.

    Matthew 25:31 expands on this statement, saying when Jesus comes in His glory with His angels (an obvious reference to 24:29) He assumes His throne in heaven and the judgement begins.

    No 1000 year reign. He comes in glory (after the tribulation) with His angels, collects the elect, assumes His throne, passes judgement.

    Thanks for the comments

    peace to you
     
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    I see you've forgotten about the 3 overturns of David's throne on earth, as well as Luke's genealogy, which goes with Solly's bro Nathan. skipping the kings of Judah, but goes to Salathiel, Jehoiachin's son, bro of Coniah, who was exiled to Babylon along with Coniah. (And remember, Coniah repented after 37 years of Babylonian captivity, & began worshipping God.) But Scripture says Jesus will rule in Jerusalem; it's been quoted twice above.
     
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    It clearly states that he became the author of eternal salvation after his resurrection, yes, but the called of God is an explanation, not a chronological stamp. One can take your argument and turn it on its head with an earlier verse:
    Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
    That would make Christ a priest on the day of his birth.

    No one denies that the Lord's ministry changed drastically after his resurrection.
    But the idea that he cannot be a priest on earth is not spelled out in the scriptures.
    You have yet to address the main point of the counter-argument: that Hebrews 5:7-10 is saying Christ would not be a Levitical (as opposed to Melchizedekian) priest on earth because, evidently, the Levitical priests function on earth.
     
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    God cursed Jesus's ancestor removing all of his offspring from ruling in Jerusalem. This is one of the reasons the Jews do not accept Christ as the Messiah. You don't understand this much less have a way to get around it.

    Concerning the impossibility of a 1000 year earthly reign:
     
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    Hence it being inherited of the children of the resurrection (change of the body) only.
     
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    It says Jesus rules until the resurrection on David's throne (now), and then he delivers the kingdom up to his Father.
     
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    2Timothy 2:15.
     
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    You are forgetting the virgin birth. Jeconiah is a decendant through Solomon and Jesus by Mary through Nathan from David.
     
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    Not according to Revelation 20.
    Yes. That is why my view is post-trib.
    Does not say that. And yes God's wrath follows.
     
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    There are two resurrections, both on the last day. But this speaks of the new birth that Paul also depicts as the first resurrection of the dead human spirit.
     
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    Mary & Joseph shared the same two common ancestors from Jeconiah's lineage.
     
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    So only the Dispies rightly divide scripture, and all the church has been wrong until Pentecostal Margaret MacDonald started hallucinating her Revelations with a fever in the 1800's??? :)
     
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    You & the Jews have a BIG prob: JESUS IS THE MESSIAH ! 1

    Now, Jehoiachin was the father of both Coniah & Salathiel, who IS in the genealogy, & was father of Zerubabbel. God dq'd Coniah from the throne, And nowhere is Zedekiah, Jehoiachin's nephew, who was appointed king by Nebuchadnezzar, included in the genealogy.

    And God re-iterated His eternal dynasty promise to David when He told Jeremiah that He'd ALWAYS have descendants of David to be rulerS(plural) over Israelis.(Jer. 33:26) So, while Coniah was dq'd, dave's dynasty went on !
     
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    Salathiel was Coniah's bro, & was NOT dq'd. Only Coniah was. And again, you're forgetting the genealogy written by Luke.

    And, as a man, Jesus carried only Mary's blood. Joe was recognized as His father only for earthly purposes.
     
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    I did address it, but I’ll repeat myself.

    Hebrews 5:7-10 is contrasting the earthly Levitical priesthood with the heavenly High Priesthood of Jesus.

    1: The earthly priesthood is a shadow of the heavenly priesthood. One on earth. One in heaven.

    2: The earthly priesthood was temporary and already passing away. The heavenly High Priesthood of Christ is eternal. It doesn’t end. Christ is a High Priest forever.

    3: Since Christ’s High Priesthood is in heaven, if He came to the earth He would not be a priest, which is exactly what the passage says.

    Thanks for the comment

    peace to you
     
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    What did I explain? Jeconiah is a decendant of Solomon. Mary is a decendant of Nathan. That makes the difference.
     
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    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    2Timothy 2:15
     
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    Rabbit trail.
     
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    I quoted Matthew 24 and 25, where Jesus very clearly reveals to us the judgement immediately follows His second coming.

    You reply, “not according to Rev 20.”

    I have no problem reconciling those passages.

    You cannot, because these passages in Matthew cannot be reconciled with a 1000 year earthly reign.

    You are left with a dilemma. You must ignore the clear teaching of our Lord Jesus, that has been part of Christian orthodoxy for 2000 years, in favor of a misunderstanding of Rev 20, that has only infiltrated the church over the past 150 years or so.

    thanks for the comment

    peace to you
     
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