1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

What is the 'Silence in Heaven' found in Revelation 8:1

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Hobie, May 1, 2021.

  1. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    The 'Silence in Heaven' text comes about after the events of the sixth seals and at the seventh seal of Revelation:

    Revelation 8:1 King James Version (KJV)
    8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.


    We also find at the seventh vial that a voice is heard saying 'It is done'..:

    Revelation 16:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


    And we find another instance of prophetic time for a short space, in the use of a hour, for the destruction of 'Mystery Babylon'.

    Revelation 18:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
    16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
    17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
    18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

    How do they relate to one another...
     
  2. Alofa Atu

    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2019
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    81
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
  3. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2020
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    533
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Also noticed that approximate time is kept in heaven during this period.

    And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
    Revelation 8:1
     
  4. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2016
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    293
    God accidentally leaned on the mute button, is my guess.
     
  5. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2020
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    533
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Time out.
     
  6. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    True, but it is time related to earth or mankind, so why does God tell us about it?
     
  7. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Perhaps it's when Jesus gathers His saints around Him in preparation to His physical return to earth in which they'll accompany Him. The saints won't be in heaven then; they'll be between heaven & earth, awaiting Jesus' signal to "head'em up, move'em out" & return to earth behind Him.

    (Just conjecturing!)
     
  8. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2020
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    533
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I don't know.

    Matthew 24:36
    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no,
    not the angels of heaven,
    but my Father only.

    So at least in the heavenlies the Father keeps time.
     
  9. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    John mighta kept the time.
     
  10. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2020
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    533
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    For sure.
    But this half hour was a revelation.
     
  11. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    John mights noted where the sun was when the vision began & ended. Many people in those days could mark hours roughly by the sun's position, or the stars at night.
     
  12. SGO

    SGO Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2020
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    533
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Maybe he thought his vision was a half hour or so but the time he was writing about was heaven time.

    there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour
     
  13. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Its at the second coming but a specific time for a special purpose, so these things have come about and now Christ and the angelic throng are clearly not in heaven so there is silence. I was away but will look up my notes and get into it..
     
  14. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Lets back up to the sixth seal and work our way to the seventh seal and the silence in heaven.

    “I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.” Revelation 6:12-13

    So why is the sixth seal in literal language while the other seals are treated symbolically, its not to hard to discern. Well, first there would be a problem with trying to symbolize the final earth shaking events prior to the Second Coming. Then secondly, the events of the sixth seal are couched in literal terms so that God’s people would not fail to recognize them as the signs of the end. Most of the events of this seal were foretold by Jesus Himself as we find it in the gospels as they were given as warning signs of the last days. God puts them in literal terms so that His followers would not fail to recognize them. When Jesus described in Matthew 24:29-30 the events associated with the Second Coming, he listed seven specific occurrences:

    ..The darkening of the sun, the moon not giving its light, the stars falling, the powers of heaven being shaken. the sign of the Son of man. the mourning of the unsaved, the actual appearing of Christ.

    Six of the seven events listed are repeated in the sixth seal of Revelation. Three of the events of Matthew 24 involve the sun, the moon and the stars, in the same order as the sixth seal presentation. So what happens next, the seventh seal occurs.

    All of the Greek New Testament original manuscripts were written with no spaces and no punctuation. This is because the Greek alphabet did not have punctuation until at least the Second Century. When the books and letters of the New Testament Bible were originally written, they did not contain chapters or verse divisions. The chapter and verse divisions commonly used today, were developed by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1227, and the Wycliffe English Bible was the first to use this chapter pattern.

    Now what does this grammatical information have to do with Rev 8:1, well its clear its part of the sequence of the seals. In Rev 8:1 it says, when He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about an hour. So we see the sequence being shown here, with it being at the end with the appearing of Christ at His Second Coming.

    As I brought out, this silence is a specific time for a special purpose, God does not reveal these things for no reason. We may not see the unveiling of these things until there is a need of understanding but He gives us the clues, and one of them is prophetic time (day-year) used in Revelation. Some may think there is no more day-year prophecy, but in symbolic prophecy such as in Revelation, when time is mentioned it is still symbolic time up until the Second Coming as we see in the Millennium . After the Second Coming time then reverts to a literal timeframe as we are taken up by Christ and go to heaven. Symbols cease at the Second Coming and this is why the one thousand years of Revelation 20 must be interpreted as literal years rather than a symbolic period of time.

    The length of this period of silence, as prophetic time, would be about seven days. (Here is a good study for those unfamiliar with prophetic time.. Day-for-a-Year Principle) The half hour in symbolic time where a "day" represents a literal year of 360 days is seven and a half literal days . The silence is then basically for one week. What then is the significance of the seven and a half literal days in connection with the Second Coming? When Jesus Christ returns to this world, heaven will be emptied of its inhabitants. All the angelic host accompany Christ to this world. "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory". Matthew 25:31

    What do the angels constantly do in the presence of God? “And one called out to another and said, ‘Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts, the whole earth is full of His glory.’” Isaiah 6:3
    “Praise Him, all His angels; Praise Him, all His hosts!” Psalm 148:2
    “Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands.” Revelation 5:3

    The Second Coming will be the greatest display of power and glory ever witnessed. Christ comes in His own glory and in His Father’s and of the holy angels. "...when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:26 All the inhabitants of heaven will accompany Christ, and thus the silence. But why a week of time (seven and a half literal days), because every seven days a event happens that is of great importance to God and to those who follow Him. I think you see where I am going here...
     
  15. Eliyahu

    Eliyahu Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,957
    Likes Received:
    16
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Silence at Rev 8:1 is the time when Jesus was on the Cross when the whole earth became dark for 3 hours. Only after that, the prayers with the censors could ascend up to the throne of God.
    Revelation is full of Redemption, Cross, Salvation message.
    Rev ch 8.9 forms one church history,
    ch 10- 11:2 another church history
    ch 11: another church history 1260 days
    ch 12 : another church history 1260days meaning 2 thousand years.

    Eliyahu
     
  16. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    One problem, we are looking at a future event as seen by the sequence of the seven seals, which end at the second coming. So this is a event at that point, not backwards.
     
  17. Eliyahu

    Eliyahu Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,957
    Likes Received:
    16
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This is a great misunderstanding about Revelation because most exegeses are based on the notion that Revelation is written for the End-Times.
    However, we notice the order of the events are preposterous sometimes.
    For example, the last verses of chap 6 talk about the End of the world, but chap 13 shows the most prosperous time for the Anti-Christ beast and for the false prophet.

    So, the Revelation is strongly based on the Redemption and the Cross.
    ch 6 is the overview of the whole history of 2000 years
    Then ch 7 shows 144,000 plus average believers
    ch 8, 9 is Church History 1 -2000 years
    ch 10:1- 11:2 - Church History 2 - 2000 years
    ch 11:3- 11:19- Church history 3 - 2000 years
    ch 12 - Church history 4 - 2000 years
    exactly same as 4 Gospels

    For 3 hours while Jesus was on the Cross, it was dark on the whole earth. There was the great judgment on this earth during that period.
    Until that time, the prayers couldn't go up into the throne of God.
    After that, the prayers along with the incense went up to the Throne. Because the sacrifice was done.

    144,000 are from 12 tribes and 12 tribes are the Bride of the Lamb!
    Read ch 21:9-:

    9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

    10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

    12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

    So, Revelation is not only for End-times, but also for the whole church history after the Resurrection of Jesus

    There are lots of misunderstanding about Revelation


    Eliyahu
     
  18. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    50
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Its like Daniel, the prophecy shows down to the Second Coming and the restoration, it needs to be studied closely.
     
Loading...