Faith # 2

[Brightfame52]

This is a continuation of the thread just closed, if anyone wants to continue the discussion.

ivdavid

But there is also faith that falls away after a while -

But thats not Gods Gift of Faith given in regeneration which is the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Brightfame52]

2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Peter in this scripture does inform us where precious Faith comes from ! Its certainly not of ourselves Eph 2:8.

It comes in or with the Righteousness of God and Our Saviour, this Righteousness is the free gift that Christ purchased and bestows upon all for whom He died Rom 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ)

This Righteousness as well as that referred to in 2 Pet 1:1 is the imparted Righteousness of Christ we receive at New Birth. It is through this imparted or communicated Righteousness at New Birth we receive of, that with it we are given precious Faith.

Peter goes on to say 2 Pet 1:3-4

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Faith or precious Faith is of the many things Given to us by New Birth which gives us to live a life of godliness !

So 2 Pet 1:1 is but another scripture that proves biblically that Faith is the product of New Birth, partaking experimentally of the Divine Nature !

 

[Revmitchell]

Romans 10:17

 

[AustinC]

Romans 10:17

What about it?

 

[Brightfame52]

The Just shall live by Faith !

Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Do we understand what this is saying or promising ? Its an declaration that everyone Christ hath died for, whom sins He hath bore, that everyone of them shall live by Faith ! Yes it is a absolute guarantee that every sinner Christ died for shall live by Faith or his faith [ Hab 2:4] because it [faith] will be given them. Now the reason why this is True, that all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith, its because scripture states the Just shall live by by Faith Rom 1:16-17; Gal 3:11

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Now some translations like the ESV substitute the word Just for the word Righteous :

11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.

But thats ok because the greek word for Just is also rendered Righteous its the word dikaios:

righteous 41, just 33, right 5, meet 2

So to be Just or to be Righteous are both the same ! Now with that in mind, we will see how scripture proclaims how one is made Righteous or Just before God, Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous or just.

Note the Obedience of One [Jesus Christ] many shall be made Righteous or Just ! The obedience here of this ONE is speaking of the Obedience of Christ unto Death of the Cross Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[Dave G]

What about it?

Faith comes by hearing.
But...hearing comes by the word of God.

Either this means that the word of God enables all men to hear ( receive ) His words,
or, God's word "begets" ( or births ) His elect by it.

Comparing the Scriptures,
I see that it is the latter.

Acts of the Apostles 16:14.
James 1:18. <---- Of His own will "begat" He us...with the word of truth. Our will has nothing to do with it
John 1:11-13. <---- We receive Him because we are born "of" God....the new birth does not rely on us believing, but the other way around. Also notice that this says that those that received Him, were ( past tense, already ) born of God. This fits perfectly with Acts of the Apostles 16:14, where God opened Lydia's heart, so that she attended to the words of Paul.
Ephesians 5:26. <--- Sanctified and cleansed by the washing of "water" by the word.
John 15:3 <----- Clean because of the word which Christ had spoken to them.
John 17:17 <----- Christ asks the Father to sanctify those He is praying for through the truth. His word is truth, and they are sanctified through it.
Romans 10:8 <------ The word was near the believers at Rome. It was in their mouths and in their hearts.Who put it there? God did, when He sanctified His people through it. Also, see Hebrews 8:10, where God promises to put His word into the believer's hearts and minds..which is why it was "nigh" or near to those which had believed on Christ at Rome.

In other places, we see that Jesus makes appeal "to those that have ears to hear"...
Matthew 11:15, Matthew 13:19, Matthew 13:43, Mark 4:9, Mark 4:23, and many other places.

In other words, some do have ears to hear, and some don't.

 

[Dave G]

We also see why some do, and why some do not:

John 8:43-47.

He that is "of" God hears God's words.
One must be "of" ( by or from ) God in order to hear it.

I see that this agrees with John 10:26-27, where we find that people do not believe because they are not "of" ( by or from ) Christ's sheep...
But rather, His sheep are the ones who "hear" His voice and follow Him.

One must be a sheep, to hear and to follow.

Finally,
I see that in Philippians 1:29, it is given in the behalf of Christ to both believe on Him, and to suffer for His sake.
while in Matthew 13:10-11, it was given to His people to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven,
but to others ( in Mark 4:11 it says "them that are without ( outside ) ) those things are spoken to them in parables....that are specifically designed to hide the truth;

That seeing they might not see, and that hearing they might not hear.

This agrees perfectly with Matthew 11:25-27, where the Lord Jesus acknowledges that His Father has hidden things from the wise and prudent among us as men, and has revealed things to the "babes" ( nobodies ) among us in verse 25...
And has further defined this in verse 27..."to whomsoever the Son will reveal."

Therefore and according to Scripture,
God is selective in whom He has chosen to give ears to hear and eyes to see,
and has blinded some ( John 12:37-41, Romans 11:7-8, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ) and even appointed them to stumble at the word ( 1 Peter 2:7-8 ).

 

[Dave G]

Because of this selectivity ( or election ) of some ( Romans 9:13-24 ),
Faith, which not all men have ( 2 Thessalonians 3:2 ), must indeed be a gift given to those whom God loves ( Ephesians 2:1-8 ) and who also love Him ( Romans 8:28, 1 John 4:19 ).

They are "the called" according to His purpose.
That purpose is to glorify Him ( Ephesians 1:6, 1 Corinthians 1:31 ) for His grace and mercy ( Titus 3:4-7 ) towards them.

Many other things can be said, from the Scriptures, about faith.

It is the faith that evidences His work in us ( Hebrews 11:1 ), and that we use to endure to the end by.
Therefore,
It must be a supernatural thing, or we would not endure all of the trials and such that God's children go through in this life.

Finally,
Faith is, as @Brightfame52 pointed out, a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22-23 ),
which explains why some have it ( and believe to the saving of the soul )
and why others do not have it, and fall away from the faith...
A lack of the Holy Spirit within them,
and...

It's a gift, given to believers by their loving Father in Heaven,
and it was authored and finished by His Son ( Hebrews 12:2 ) for them to live by ( Galatians 2:20 ).

Our faith doesn't save us, as believers in Christ, in the eternal sense...
and it never has.
God does, and He gives His people the faith to carry them through this life.

We then use what He has graciously given to us,
to save ourselves from our troubles by running to Him and asking Him for deliverance.

 

[Dave G]

My friends, I realize that the above was a lot to digest,
and that people here may accuse me of liking to "write books"...
But God's word is so full of details that I sometimes am afraid of leaving out what I see there.

To me,
It really is amazing how His grace and mercy towards His elect,
sinners who have nothing to stand on except for those things,
is developed through the details of His every word ( Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4 ).

That said,
I'll take my leave now so as not to continue posting lengthy replies.

I also confess that sometimes I find that I just cannot help myself when it comes to this subject.



May God bless you all in your continuing studies,
and may you grow in both knowledge and grace, as He has desired of us ( 2 Peter 3:18 ).

 

[Brightfame52]

The Just shall live by Faith ! cont

The purpose of this title is to establish from scripture that all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith, because it was by His Obedience unto death, dying for their sins, that they are made Righteous or Just Rom 5:19b, and the promise is that the Just or Righteous shall live by Faith !

The promise God's Word gives to them that are Just is this according to scripture Hab 2:4

4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:11

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Heb 10:38

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

The Promise is that the Just shall live by Faith, and how did they become Just in the First place, for it was by the obedience of Christ or His Blood, so there you have it, all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith, or shall believe in Him. Thats why Jesus stated in Jn 8:24, it meant that His Death, or His Blood never Justified them Rom 5:9, never made them Righteous Rom 5:19b, because He never died for them or for their sins, so instead of believing on Him, which would have been proof that His Death made them Righteous or Just, so that they should live by Faith, then consequently their not believing is but evidence that by His Death they have not been made Just, and their sins unpaid for and still charged against them by God's Law and Justice, so they shall die in their sins !

Believing in Christ proves that God gave Him for your sins out of His Love, for that is the True meaning of Jn 3:16, God gave His Son for those believing, which by His Death for them, they were made Just or Righteous, and as the promise goes, the Just shall live by Faith in Christ.


Thats why Paul first states what the Gospel of Christ is in Rom 1:16 and what it reveals to them believing, which produces the end result and fulfills the promise Rom 1:17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

Dave

Finally,
Faith is, as @Brightfame52 pointed out, a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22-23 ),
which explains why some have it ( and believe to the saving of the soul )
and why others do not have it, and fall away from the faith...
A lack of the Holy Spirit within them,
and...

Yes, and its plainly stated, even though its attacked by many, that Faith is not of ourselves Eph 2:8

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

And consequently God doesnt give it to all men without exception 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

Faith in Christ for Salvation is restricted to and is a Divine Summons to only those who are spiritually hungry for the bread of Life. This call to faith was even the case in the OT under the OC, for observe Isa 55:1-2

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that[Bread] which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

Bread here is the Lord Jesus Christ and those OC Doctrines which set Him forth as the object of Faith Jn 8:56 !

In other words men do seek to come to God other than by a Election in Christ, For those who will believe and Trust in Christ, the bread from heaven Jn 6:32,33,41,50-51,58, they first need to be made to hunger for that bread or for His Righteousness as Per Matt 5:6.

The Righteousness here is Christ's Righteousness, the bread of life Jn 6:35

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

And it is the Holy Spirit who creates this Spiritual Hunger and Thirst for Christ, the Bread of Life and His Righteousness, as we see in Jn 16:8,10,14 !

And so pay attention, for those who truly have a Spiritual Hunger for the Bread of Life, and Christ's Righteousness, its all satisfied in Christ the Bread of Life, and Christ our Righteousness, and thus the Gospel reveals to such a Righteousness of God, revealed to from to faith, thus confirming Jesus promise Matt 5:6

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

That word filled also means satisfied or fulfill as to fulfill a desire ! Also to feed !

Jesus told Peter to feed His Sheep Jn 21:16-17

They shall be fed by the Gospel sent to them revealing to them the Righteousness of God, which is Christ Righteousness Imputed to them, and now this being made known to them consciously to God given Faith, and this is how Faith in Christ is accomplished in the Purpose of God for Salvation !

 

[Brightfame52]

Faith in Christ for Salvation cont

Many erroneous teachers teach that Salvation is offered by the Gospel to all without exception, and that many to whom it is offered, that they just do not want it and so refuse it. This however is nothing but a deception, for the Salvation call is always directed to a specific set of characters like, Whosoever will [spiritual desire], but this call does exempt those who have no will to come as here Jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. or whosoever is laboring and are heavy laden Matt 11:28

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. OR

Whosoever thirst Jn 7:37

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Matt 5:6

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

So for those who do not hunger and thirst, or who are not laboring and heavy laden, there is no call for them unto Faith in Christ.

To such Christ would not be precious, but unto us who believe, He is Precious 1 Pet 2:7

Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

The call to faith in Christ does not go out to any who are content and or indifferent in their sin. Do not be fooled by the deceivers; For listen, if you invite a hungry man to bread, he comes and eats, if you summon a thirsty man to drink, he thankfully comes and drinks, you summons a laboring burdened to rest and refreshment, he gladly receives it. If we recall Esau how he sold his birthright to his brother Jacob, it was while Esau was in a weary/ exhausted condition Gen 25:27-30

27 And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.

28 And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob.

29 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:

30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.

Notice Vs 29-30, when a person is weary, exhausted from working, his body craves or desires meat, rest and refreshment as Esau, such persons will not reject and treat with indifference that which they do desire and crave ! So it is in the Spiritual realm of things, with the Gospel feast, for it is prepared for them for whom God prepares them beforehand to receive it ! Lk 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.23

 

[Brightfame52]

Faith is a Gift of God's Favor to a person, in other words all for whom Christ died, even while being enemies in themselves, they had nevertheless been reconciled to God, strictly by the Death of His Son. Now to be reconciled also means to be received into God's Favor ! The word reconciled is the greek word katallassō and means:


to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)

b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one

c) to receive one into favour


Hence all those favored ones, God gives them Faith to know and understand what Christ has done for them by His blood !

Thats why Paul writes this Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

That word give is the greek word charizomai which means to:

to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify

a) to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent

b) to grant forgiveness, to pardon

c) to give graciously, give freely, bestow

1) to forgive

2) graciously to restore one to another

3) to preserve for one a person in peril

And its the same word Paul uses here Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Its a must for all whom Christ died, for them to be given Faith in behalf of Christ, for them to believe upon Him for Salvation

 

[37818]

Unless one understands how faith in general is an essential to epistomology, one fails to understand the essential nature of faith to everyone. (John 17:17, Romans 10:17-18, Psalms 19:1-4, Genesis 1:1).

 

[Brightfame52]

Chosen to believe, not believe to be Chosen !

Isa 43:10

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Remember Jesus said Jn 17:3

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And John also wrote 1 Jn 5:20

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Every True Believer is one of God's Elect, and Faith or Believing is what they were Chosen unto, and not because of !

Lets look at 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Notice unto obedience, not because of obedience ! Now this obedience is Faith, meaning the obedience of Faith Rom 16:26

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Also 2 Thess 2:13 is to the same purport 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[atpollard]

The purpose of this title is to establish from scripture that all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith, because it was by His Obedience unto death, dying for their sins, that they are made Righteous or Just Rom 5:19b, and the promise is that the Just or Righteous shall live by Faith !

If "all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith", why does scripture present exhortations to "continue in faith" [Acts of the Apostles 14:22, Colossians 1:23, 1 Timothy 2:15] and warnings against "falling away" [Matthew 24:10, Mark 14:27, Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1]?

 

[Dave G]

If "all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith", why does scripture present exhortations to "continue in faith" [Acts of the Apostles 14:22, Colossians 1:23, 1 Timothy 2:15] and warnings against "falling away" [Matthew 24:10, Mark 14:27, Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1]?

Because of the very real presence of "tares" among the "wheat"?

Matthew 7:21-23
Matthew 13:18-23.
Matthew 13:36-43.

 

[Brightfame52]

Chosen to believe, not believe to be Chosen cont

All them of God's Elect shall obtain like precious Faith 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

This verse lets us know unquestionably that Faith is a Salvation Blessing and not something man has by nature !

And it is also termed the Faith of God's Elect, for its from God's Elect [Christ Isa 42:1] to God's Elect [ Those given to Him or Chosen in Him Eph 1:4]

It is peculiar only to them, so the Elect only obtain this precious faith, and the rest of mankind is blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The Election obtained it by Faith that was given ! Paul said the blinded ones sought it not by Faith Rom 9:31-32

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

They were the Election !

The rest Paul writes were blinded Rom 11:7; And this being blinded prevents one from believing the Gospel of Christ 2 Cor 4:3-4

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So it is upon the evidence of one believing that Paul could reasonably conclude that the Thessalonians were of the Election of Grace 1 Thess 1:4-631

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

Yes, their receiving or believing the Gospel in much affliction convinced Paul of their Election of God !

 

[Brightfame52]

If "all for whom Christ died shall live by Faith", why does scripture present exhortations to "continue in faith" [Acts of the Apostles 14:22, Colossians 1:23, 1 Timothy 2:15] and warnings against "falling away" [Matthew 24:10, Mark 14:27, Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1]?

This has nothing to do with what I posted. Doesnt scripture say clearly that the Just shall live by Faith ? Yes or No