When did (or when will) Dan. 7:13-14 occur?

[asterisktom]

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, and all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

 

[AustinC]

Your answer is provided in the next verses.

Daniel 7:15-28
“As for me, Daniel, my spirit within me was anxious, and the visions of my head alarmed me. I approached one of those who stood there and asked him the truth concerning all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of the things. ‘These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ “Then I desired to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrifying, with its teeth of iron and claws of bronze, and which devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet, and about the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three of them fell, the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions. As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them, until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom. “Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings. He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end. And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’ “Here is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my color changed, but I kept the matter in my heart.”

 

[George Antonios]

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, and all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

I answered at the 2nd coming, but the ascension is also involved for the Lord receives the kingdom at the ascension (Lk.19:12) but only judicially so;
practically however he only takes over at the second coming (Rev.11:15).

The historical Biblical parallel is David being anointed as king over Israel years before (1Sa.16:13) actually taking over (2Sa.5:3).

It's beautiful.

 

[asterisktom]

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, and all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

I voted for these events happening at the Ascension. The reasons are below (Copied from my post in the previous thread):

Notice that Christ came to the Ancient of Days. And then He was given a Kingdom, an eternal kingdom. When did this happen? Not the Incarnation or the Second Coming but the Ascension.

This same event is prefigured in the parable of the Nobleman in Luke 19:12

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return."

The historical connection, which would not have escaped many of His hearers, was the journey of Herod Archelaus to Rome to confirm his kingship. But the deeper significance is Christ's receiving of the Kingdom.

And then, just as the parable relates, there is the return and the voiced opposition of the people, "We will not have this man rule over us."

All of this happened as well.

 

[George Antonios]

I voted for these events happening at the Ascension. The reasons are below (Copied from my post in the previous thread):

Notice that Christ came to the Ancient of Days. And then He was given a Kingdom, an eternal kingdom. When did this happen? Not the Incarnation or the Second Coming but the Ascension.

This same event is prefigured in the parable of the Nobleman in Luke 19:12

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return."

The historical connection, which would not have escaped many of His hearers, was the journey of Herod Archelaus to Rome to confirm his kingship. But the deeper significance is Christ's receiving of the Kingdom.

And then, just as the parable relates, there is the return and the voiced opposition of the people, "We will not have this man rule over us."

All of this happened as well.

See post #3. But I could only vote for one.

 

[asterisktom]

See post #3. But I could only vote for one.

Noted. I tried to change the poll to allow more than one vote but apparently can't.

 

[tyndale1946]

Noted. I tried to change the poll to allow more than one vote but apparently can't.

I also voted #2 according to the interpretation that follows, ignore it all you want, its past Ancient Biblical 1st Century History... Not a future... Game Of Thrones!... Brother Glen

 

[asterisktom]

I also voted #2 according to the interpretation that follows, ignore it all you want, its past Ancient Biblical 1st Century History... Not a future... Game Of Thrones!... Brother Glen

I guess I would understand the allusion better if I had ever watched Game of Thrones but I never got around to even watching one minute of that show. All I know is that, thanks to that show, we bypassed Croatia. Apparently that country is a Mecca for GOT fans - and priced accordingly.

 

[kyredneck]

I voted for these events happening at the Ascension. The reasons are below (Copied from my post in the previous thread):

Agree!

"...And his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". gives me great comfort, as does:

32 he shall be great, and Son of the Highest he shall be called, and the Lord God shall give him the throne of David his father,
33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob to the ages; and of his reign there shall be no end.` Lk 1

7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. Isa 9

44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan2

 

[AustinC]

Agree!

"...And his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". gives me great comfort, as does:

32 he shall be great, and Son of the Highest he shall be called, and the Lord God shall give him the throne of David his father,
33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob to the ages; and of his reign there shall be no end.` Lk 1

7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. Isa 9

44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan2

Yet, today and for over 2000 years there has been no peace...

 

[asterisktom]

I answered at the 2nd coming, but the ascension is also involved for the Lord receives the kingdom at the ascension (Lk.19:12) but only judicially so;
practically however he only takes over at the second coming (Rev.11:15).

The historical Biblical parallel is David being anointed as king over Israel years before (1Sa.16:13) actually taking over (2Sa.5:3).

It's beautiful.

Thank you for suggesting this, George. It got me to thinking. But upon reflection I have to disagree. Later I will write more, hopefully. Storm is brewing up now and that usually means wifi problems.

 

[asterisktom]

Agree!

"...And his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". gives me great comfort, as does:

32 he shall be great, and Son of the Highest he shall be called, and the Lord God shall give him the throne of David his father,
33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob to the ages; and of his reign there shall be no end.` Lk 1

7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. Isa 9

44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Dan2

And don't forget Psalm 110, Psalm 2 (which the young church in Acts applied to their time) and quite a few passages in Hebrews. Great truths to think about!

 

[George Antonios]

Thank you for suggesting this, George. It got me to thinking. But upon reflection I have to disagree. Later I will write more, hopefully. Storm is brewing up now and that usually means wifi problems.

Storm? Where are you? May God keep you safe.

 

[asterisktom]

Storm? Where are you? May God keep you safe.

Thank you, brother. Orizaba, Mexico. I am retired and we have been traveling around for several years now.

 

[asterisktom]

I answered at the 2nd coming, but the ascension is also involved for the Lord receives the kingdom at the ascension (Lk.19:12) but only judicially so;
practically however he only takes over at the second coming (Rev.11:15).

The historical Biblical parallel is David being anointed as king over Israel years before (1Sa.16:13) actually taking over (2Sa.5:3).

It's beautiful.

The reasons why I still place Daniel 7 at the Ascension is the language of that passage. And, also, the fact that I Sam. 16:13 seems to speak only of anointing, not confirmation of the kingship. The phrase "the Spirit of the Lord came upon ..." is repeated several times in the OT (Saul, Samson, other judges). From the event in Daniel the Son was newly invested with glory, authority, power, a Kingdom that has no end. David, by contrast, faced a long series of testings and opposition before he would actually become king in deed.

Also, I see a strong parallel with the Luke 19 parable. First the investiture. Then the return to His Kingdom to slay in His presence those who did not want Him to rule over them. A cross-reference to this same time is Matt. 22:7 where the King "sent forth His armies [the Romans], and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."

 

[George Antonios]

The reasons why I still place Daniel 7 at the Ascension is the language of that passage. And, also, the fact that I Sam. 16:13 seems to speak only of anointing, not confirmation of the kingship. The phrase "the Spirit of the Lord came upon ..." is repeated several times in the OT (Saul, Samson, other judges). From the event in Daniel the Son was newly invested with glory, authority, power, a Kingdom that has no end. David, by contrast, faced a long series of testings and opposition before he would actually become king in deed.

Also, I see a strong parallel with the Luke 19 parable. First the investiture. Then the return to His Kingdom to slay in His presence those who did not want Him to rule over them. A cross-reference to this same time is Matt. 22:7 where the King "sent forth His armies [the Romans], and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city."

1Ch 29:22 And did eat and drink before the LORD on that day with great gladness. And they made Solomon the son of David king the second time, and anointed him unto the LORD to be the chief governor, and Zadok to be priest.

The pattern is clear because Christ is only judicially king now, and will be practically so upon his second coming.
That's why he's only the prince of the kings of the earth in Revelation 1:5 and only becomes KING OF KINGS in Revelation 19:16 upon his second coming.

 

[George Antonios]

Thank you, brother. Orizaba, Mexico. I am retired and we have been traveling around for several years now.

Cool place, looks like my home country of Lebanon. Glad you're safe.

 

[asterisktom]

Cool place, looks like my home country of Lebanon. Glad you're safe.

I would love to go to Lebanon. The closest we have been is SE Turkey.