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You still haven't read Ephesians 2:1-9 yet, have you.

 

I have no axe to grind with any scripture.
My point was closer to 1 Chronicles 21:24 (a weakness often seen in the 'Social Gospel').

 

You really should read to verse 10.

 

Here's the problem. You and Yeshua1 are talking about The Social Gospel (a historical movement). I am talking about the social aspects of the gospel of Jesus, a biblical imperative.

Yeshua1 refuses to engage with scripture on this topic and tries to brand me with the Fox News caricature of "The Social Gospel", and I'm simply talking about the commands in the Bible, NOT separated from the command to make disciples. Yeshua1 refuses to recognize anything but an either/or approach to the question, while I advocate both. I don't know if he is intentionally doing it or if he doesn't recognize that it is not an either/or proposition.

 

Yes I have we are saved by Grace through faith it is you that has no reading or comprehension of what it says.
MB.

 

It is just how he likes to post. Lots and lots of posts. It's a number thing.

 

I cannot speak for him, but I was raised Atheist with a semi-annual pilgrimage to endure the Easter and Christmas services at MANY different churches and experienced too many 'christians' for whom "giving money to support the church's Food Pantry" was their 'good work' (apart from offering God an hour of their time per week). Enough to convince me that Bertrand Russel hit the nail on the head.

God has since shown me that the 'social aspects of the gospel' are not handing a ten dollar bill to a homeless man. That is "giving a man a fish" and an "offering that costs me nothing". Having run with them, they know it as well as God and we know it. The GOSPEL call is to make an offering that actually costs us something ... to spend your time and really invest in someone's life as a friend. To know the heartbreak when they stumble. To pick them up and be their "Barnabas", encouraging them to keep on moving forward.

That is the GOSPEL.
It starts by dragging them into the church (not the building) and placing an arm of friendship around them.
You can really only meet needs for people that you know and work to build a relationship with.
Handing cans of food to strangers is not the GOSPEL.
Voting for the right leaders is not the GOSPEL.
Marching for causes is not the GOSPEL.

Each One. Reach One. Teach One. That is disciplining and disciplining is how the world is changed one person at a time.
Does that make any sense of the "cat" analogy?

 

Being a Christian, who upholds the scriptures, i cannot ascribe to things such as abortion on demand, gay weddings, Crt, and Blm, nor using the govt to enforce liberal rules and anti God mindsets! To legalize sin....

 

Taking stands with liberals and those against the ways Of God is not the way to get where we desire to go!

 

I desire to go to Heaven so I can be with my LORD.
I am not an effective evangelist (not my strongest gift).
I am not called to Preach.
I have the ability to read Scripture and see some truth clearly flowing from Genesis to Revelation.
I have a talent for being empathic (not in the supernatural sense) with people and helping them to find the truth of scripture for themselves.
I can listen. (an underappreciated ability in the world).
I can answer questions about "MY JESUS". (another underappreciated ability)

So I "take my stand" by listening to what questions people ask and attempting to truthfully answer them to the best of my ability.
Talk to GOD if you want me changed, He is responsible for the wiring.

I am pretty sure that I am doing what GOD created me to do.

 

I'm ONLY posting this because it's MHOP, & NOT ANYONE ELSE'S....."They" can post for themselves! Here goes: I was saved in 1966 at what identified herself as an I F Baptist Church. Since before then I had never been either taken to or attended an I F Baptist Church So, I really had no real "Standard(s)" with which I could assess an I F Baptist Church...IOW what this I F Baptist Church said or did I assumed that was what ALL I F Baptist Churches/Organizations said and did. A couple years after that, I moved to another I F Baptist Church, and that I F Baptist Church both said and did many things differently....not necessarily "Sinful" or "Worldly" things, more like taking a somewhat different approach to things. This put me in a somewhat dilemma--which I F Baptist Church was CORRECT, and which I F Baptist Church was incorrect? I asked the Pastor of the second I F Baptist Church what he thought I should do, and IMHO anyway, he gave me some of the wisest "approach" to the situation at hand: "If one I F Baptist Church did some things differently than another I F Baptist Church does, see FOR YOURSELF what the Bible says about it, and then base YOUR OWN opinion(s) on the matter!! "Think for YOURSELF" was at that time a novel idea to me. You see, over the years I've noticed that the "average" I F Baptist Church's PASTOR said and/or did, that was THE FINAL WORD!! IOW, to me it seemed that the "average" member of most I F Baptist Churches was NEVER either taught or encouraged to think for him-/her-self! Maybe that's one of the reasons why there are so many I F Baptist Churches "Splits"!! Comments are welcomed, especially those that provide a sound, Biblical reason(s) for whatever position you may or may not take on this.

 

God's grace. God's gracious gift of faith. It's what it says and what I believe. Unfortunately Roman Catholics add works.

 

wrong thread

 

Fundamentalist?

That's giving money to a clairvoyant.

 

Not really. Fundamentalists don't believe they are saved by grace through faith plus works. You are by no means a fundamentalist.

 

No, but he would certainly give them an earful!

Just before he died, at the last Sword Conference he attended (in a wheelchair), he wanted the crowd to sing the Gaither song, "I'm So Glad I'm a Part of the Family of God." His successor, Curtis Hutson, refused to allow it and took up all of the handouts.

John R. Rice was a fundamentalist all the way, but he deeply loved all those whose ways he opposed. He prayed for and loved Billy Graham until he died, and Billy and his wife (in Europe at the time) sent a huge floral wreath to the funeral. I'll attach a photo of it I took at the time.

 

We would all do well to follow their example of love.

Thank you for sharing this personal story.

 

well, heaven is very interesting place, as now Dr Sproul and Dr Rice Dr McGee and Dr Graham, all telling each other each was wrong, and Jesus there to point all that each one of them got something wrong!

 

I kind of doubt that Heaven will have negativity, such as "You were wrong!" But I'm sure they are all having wonderful fellowship in Heaven.