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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 16, 2021.

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  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Either you’ve confused me with someone else or your imagination is running wild. Please, quote me where I’ve done as you’ve accused.
     
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    It's hardly fatalism. Instead the Bible calls it...grace.

    But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved
    ~ Ephesians 2:4-5

    But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace
    ~ Galatians 1:15

    sbw, what causes your spirit to hate God for loving you enough to save you despite your wretched rebellious and God hating self without asking for your permission or help? I don't get your hatred of a God who fully rules and does whatsoever he wills with his creation. Do you doubt that God can be good and loving if He saves you without your assistance? Help me understand your hatred toward a God who is the Sovereign King. I just don't get your hatred.
     
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    Let me add that God killed everyone but Noah and his family in the flood. Humans had spread over a vast area of the world so that many would have never heard of Noah, yet God wiped out all those men, women and children anyway.
    God was both loving, gracious and just in choice to destroy the world. He is Sovereign Ruler and it is best we learn that truth early rather than complain that God doesn't do it our way.
     
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    The only hate that I have, is for the twisting of the Bible by some who are more interested in their personal theology, than what the Bible actually teaches. :eek:
     
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    I already addressed this with sbw. God being in control and saving wretched rebellious sinners by his gracious choice is hardly fatalism unless you think God is an impersonal and unthinking force with no capacity to love. Do you think God is an impersonal force? That's certainly not the God of the Bible. In the Bible we see God choosing to redeem wicked and wretched humans apart from any human assistance and inspire of human resistance. You call that fatalism...the Bible calls it grace.
     
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    So, you must hate yourself because you have brutally turned grace into works like the Judaizers in Galatia.

    The Bible, in context, has been shown to you, ad nauseam, yet you make excuse after excuse in order to preach salvation by works.

    Your theology comes from hell and you think it comes from God the Sovereign King.
     
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    Please don't ever comment on anything that I write. You will be on permanent ignore. You are a deluded nutjob
     
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    We cannot come to Jesus to save apart from the working upon us by the Holy Spirit!
     
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    which John chapter 16 says is CONVICTION, as those who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost, were CUT TO THE HEART! No "enabling" by the Holy Spirit!
     
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    Wow, so God doesn't prefer the vessels of mercy that He afore prepared unto glory over the vessels of wrath He fitted for destruction?

    Is not Jacob and Esau one of hundreds of types we're given to illustrate many spiritual truths?
     
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    Acts 16:14
     
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    " And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, WHO WORSHIPPED GOD, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul"

    And Cornelius in chapter 10, where we read of him, "A devout man, and ONE THAT FEARED GOD with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway."

    These were true SEEKERS of the God of the Bible, and He revealed Himself to them! As promised in Jeremah 29:13, "And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart"
     
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    And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”. As it is written, is the Biblical justification for the words in red, and “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”, refers to THIS!
     
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    They both were among the elect of God!
     
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    says you...
     
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    Egad, you're blind. Not only was it prophetic that Edom would serve Israel, but "the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls" was illustrative of the wondrous truth of God's Unconditional Election of His own .
     
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    No accusations Just fact
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    Nonsense
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    So what's the problem with quoting me?

    Because your accusation is false, that's what.
     
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    You're becoming one of the most nonsensical on this board. Are you in the early stages of dementia? Because seriously, it appears you're beginning to hallucinate, making things up out of the clear blue.
     
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