Angels would not be the ones referring to there though!
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The Trinity in Creation in The Old Testament
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TurtleSox
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Why do you think not?
All things are of and from God.
God would be addressing the Trinity. among themselves!
TurtleSox
Member
God's talking to himself?
Among Themselves, as 3 Persons but still One God!God's talking to himself?
TurtleSox
Member
God does not speak of himself as triune. God tells us there is only one. No Trinity doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament.
God also tells us besides him there is no savior.
Isaiah 43:11.
The trinity doctrine, Tritheism, has a date of inception into the scriptures. Tertullian (160-225 A.D.)
While the scriptures before this tell us Jesus was God. As did Jesus affirm in his ministry.
Therefore there is not two, in God, Jesus. Jesus was fully human as The Word, God, made flesh. And God is holy and spirit.
One. Only one. Deuteronomy 6:4,
John 1.
We are Christian, not Pagan.
Do you deny that Jesus is God then?God does not speak of himself as triune. God tells us there is only one. No Trinity doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament.
God also tells us besides him there is no savior.
Isaiah 43:11.
The trinity doctrine, Tritheism, has a date of inception into the scriptures. Tertullian (160-225 A.D.)
While the scriptures before this tell us Jesus was God. As did Jesus affirm in his ministry.
Therefore there is not two, in God, Jesus. Jesus was fully human as The Word, God, made flesh. And God is holy and spirit.
One. Only one. Deuteronomy 6:4,
John 1.
We are Christian, not Pagan.
TurtleSox
Member
You didn't read my post.
We are Christian, not Pagan.
As a moderator, I do hope you are not calling the members here at the BB "pagans". That is calling their salvation deeply into question.
You do need to understand that most here hold to Trinity doctrine. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
The Father is not the Son and vice versa. The Son is not the Holy Spirit and vice versa. The Father is not the Holy Spirit and vice versa.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God.
RighteousnessTemperance&
Well-Known Member
How else would he have a perfectly intelligent conversation?God's talking to himself?
Seriously, how do you imagine your question represents a bona fide objection?
TurtleSox
Member
Yes, I understand what trinitarians believe in that sense.
TurtleSox
Member
Because I believe God when he tells me there is only one, not three. And because the triune teaching has a man-made history and date of application into the scriptures.How else would he have a perfectly intelligent conversation?
God is spirit, and holy. The word was with God and the word was God. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us as Emmanuel,"God with us".
All God. All one. As God said of himself.
Tertullian, whose parents were pagan, created three.A triune God, a triad or group of three. Tritheism is polytheism.
God did not teach us he was three. As God tells you in his own words. He is one.
Another true fact of Gods message? Denominationalism fractures his church.
Those denominations named for and after men that wrote a doctrine to follow according to their understanding of scripture, is the sin of pride.
Methodism, Calvinism, Presbyterian, Baptist, etc...
We don't rely on John the Baptizer to save us. Why do we title ourselves after the man who was martyred by a fallen pagan king due to his sinful lust for his stepdaughter.
The world population numbers over 7 billion souls.
Billions of those hold to the truth of Christ's message and yet the universal Eklesia is divided on the one thing that should make us a cohesive family in Christ. Doctrine.
Just read the BDF, Bible Discussion Forum, in any Christian online community to see this.
And one can read real fireworks spark when Roman Catholicism is the topic in any Christian forum.
One of the reasons Orthodox Jews don't believe Yeshua was Messiah is because when Messiah comes there shall be world peace .
This world has gotten worse in these last 2000+ years. Not better.
We've a history of "holy wars" for goodness sake. And who can forget the bloody and many crusades and inquisitions?
All in the name of the God of love who was our prince of peace?
Who shall save us from ourselves?
God inspired the scriptures. Amen.
Just look at what man has done with and using what we canonized and label , the Bible.
You asked.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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But I did not ask about that. My question was strictly about the notion that God cannot talk to himself. Your post didn't address that at all.Because I believe God when he tells me there is only one, not three. And because the triune teaching has a man-made history and date of application into the scriptures. … You asked.
The implication of your earlier post was that God cannot talk to himself. On what basis, other than logical fallacy, such as circular reasoning or personal incredulity (or human psychology?), can that claim be established.
Consider the following passage:
‘In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.’ - Ephesians 1:11–14
TurtleSox
Member
To the contrary, read and understood in context, my answer did address your question. Because when you quoted my post #24 I was therein addressing another member regarding their remarks regarding the trinity.
RighteousnessTemperance&
Well-Known Member
LOL. Yes, by calling into question God being able to talk to himself. In other words, your objection was not a real objection at all and has zero scriptural basis. Gotcha. Carry on.