John Calvin on The Extent of Jesus' Death

[Yeshua1]

Repeat of another fiction, the denial God's plan cannot be thwarted.

Where was the decreed/ordained will of God thwarted then?

 

[Van]

Where was the decreed/ordained will of God thwarted then?

That was your claim, God being frustrated. It is your fiction

 

[AustinC]

You can run, but you cannot hide the false doctrine of Calvinism.

Christ laid down his life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. 1 Timothy 2:6 and 2 Peter 2:1

...and here you preach universalism...

 

[AustinC]

He desires all to get saved, but frustrated by us then?

Indeed. Van and MBs God is held back by the power of the human will, which clearly frustrates and stops God from saving all of humanity.

 

[Van]

...and here you preach universalism...

AustineC mentions the fiction of universalism to bookend the fiction of Limited Atonement. At last something informative...

 

[Van]

Indeed. Van and MBs God is held back by the power of the human will, which clearly frustrates and stops God from saving all of humanity.

And AustinC doubles down on the fiction that God's plan can be thwarted. Go figure...

 

[AustinC]

AustineC mentions the fiction of universalism to bookend the fiction of Limited Atonement. At last something informative...

Nothing fictional about Jesus atonement effectively purchasing the redemption of those who believe while not purchasing the redemption of those who do not believe. Thus limited atonement.

Universal atonement means all are purchased and redeemed by Jesus sacrifice. That atonement wouldn't just be universally potential, but it would be universally actual.

The fact is that you and many universal atonement proponents are actually presenting limited atonement. The only truly universal atonement proponents are those who promote universalism in that all people will go to heaven.

So, do you still promote universal atonement or is it just a facade whereby you add conditions that actually limit who has his sins purchased by Christ Jesus?

 

[Van]

Nothing fictional about Jesus atonement effectively purchasing the redemption of those who believe while not purchasing the redemption of those who do not believe. Thus limited atonement.

Universal atonement means all are purchased and redeemed by Jesus sacrifice. That atonement wouldn't just be universally potential, but it would be universally actual.

The fact is that you and many universal atonement proponents are actually presenting limited atonement. The only truly universal atonement proponents are those who promote universalism in that all people will go to heaven.

So, do you still promote universal atonement or is it just a facade whereby you add conditions that actually limit who has his sins purchased by Christ Jesus?

Note, AustinC uses his term, universal atonement, not the biblical term, Christ dying as a ransom for all. Thus the claim of redemption for all is his fiction, not found in scripture.

 

[AustinC]

And AustinC doubles down on the fiction that God's plan can be thwarted. Go figure...

Your reading comprehension is minimal if you imagine I asserted this. Be honest, Van, I stated that free will proponents present a God that is bested and thwarted by the power of the human will.

Go figure that you couldn't comprehend what I said.

 

[Van]

Your reading comprehension is minimal if you imagine I asserted this. Be honest, Van, I stated that free will proponents present a God that is bested and thwarted by the power of the human will.

Go figure that you couldn't comprehend what I said.

Yet another personal attack, another obfuscation, another absurdity defense of the fiction of Calvinism.
AustinC said God was frustrated, not me...

 

[Yeshua1]

Indeed. Van and MBs God is held back by the power of the human will, which clearly frustrates and stops God from saving all of humanity.

So who is really God then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Note, AustinC uses his term, universal atonement, not the biblical term, Christ dying as a ransom for all. Thus the claim of redemption for all is his fiction, not found in scripture.

Did Jesus atone for and pay for the sin debt of all lost?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yet another personal attack, another obfuscation, another absurdity defense of the fiction of Calvinism.
AustinC said God was frustrated, not me...

Why are the lost not able to get saved then, if Jesus died for all and God desires all to get saved per you?

 

[Salty]

Six hour warning

This thread will be closed no sooner than 230 am EDT (Sat) / 1130 pm PDT (Fri)

 

[Van]

Did Jesus atone for and pay for the sin debt of all lost?

Since you have asked that question before, why not respond to the answer I provided?

 

[Van]

Why are the lost not able to get saved then, if Jesus died for all and God desires all to get saved per you?

Since you have asked that question before, why not respond to the answer I provided?

 

[Van]

I see once again the Calvinist posting team has posted enough smokescreed to cause the closure of a thread. Why they are allowed to do this time and time again is beyond me.

 

[AustinC]

I see once again the Calvinist posting team has posted enough smokescreed to cause the closure of a thread. Why they are allowed to do this time and time again is beyond me.

I see you deflected from answering the question Yeshua asked you.

 

[Salty]

I see once again the Calvinist posting team has posted enough smokescreed to cause the closure of a thread. Why they are allowed to do this time and time again is beyond me.

NEGATIVE - it will soon be closed due to the number of threads - and nomally most closed threads can be re-opened as a new thread. In addition - you can link the old thread.

Even calling it part 2 is fine

 

[Salty]

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