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  1. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
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    Now, in Gen. 49, we shall see what God told Jacob to say to his other sons. This might help with identifying their descendants today!

    Gen. 49:
    And Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days:


    2 “Gather together and hear, you sons of Jacob,
    And listen to Israel your father.

    3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn,
    My might and the beginning of my strength,
    The excellency of dignity and the excellency of power.
    4 Unstable as water, you shall not excel,
    Because you went up to your father’s bed;
    Then you defiled it
    He went up to my couch.

    5 “Simeon and Levi are brothers;
    Instruments of cruelty are in their dwelling place.
    6 Let not my soul enter their council;
    Let not my honor be united to their assembly;
    For in their anger they slew a man,
    And in their self-will they hamstrung an ox.
    7 Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce;
    And their wrath, for it is cruel!
    I will divide them in Jacob
    And scatter them in Israel.

    8 “Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
    Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
    Your father’s children shall bow down before you.
    9 Judah is a lion’s whelp;
    From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
    He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
    And as a lion, who shall rouse him?
    10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
    Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
    Until Shiloh comes;
    And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
    11 Binding his donkey to the vine,
    And his donkey’s colt to the choice vine,
    He washed his garments in wine,
    And his clothes in the blood of grapes.
    12 His eyes are darker than wine,
    And his teeth whiter than milk.

    13 “Zebulun shall dwell by the haven of the sea;
    He shall become a haven for ships,
    And his border shall adjoin Sidon.

    14 “Issachar is a strong donkey,
    Lying down between two burdens;
    15 He saw that rest was good,
    And that the land was pleasant;
    He bowed his shoulder to bear a burden,
    And became a band of slaves.

    16 “Dan shall judge his people
    As one of the tribes of Israel.
    17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,
    A viper by the path,
    That bites the horse’s heels
    So that its rider shall fall backward.
    18 I have waited for your salvation, O Lord!

    19 “Gad, a troop shall tramp upon him,
    But he shall triumph at last.

    20 “Bread from Asher shall be rich,
    And he shall yield royal dainties.

    21 “Naphtali is a deer let loose;
    He uses beautiful words.

    22 “Joseph is a fruitful bough,
    A fruitful bough by a well;
    His branches run over the wall.
    23 The archers have bitterly grieved him,
    Shot at him and hated him.
    24 But his bow remained in strength,
    And the arms of his hands were made strong
    By the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob
    (From there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel),
    25 By the God of your father who will help you,
    And by the Almighty who will bless you
    With blessings of heaven above,
    Blessings of the deep that lies beneath,
    Blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
    26 The blessings of your father
    Have excelled the blessings of my ancestors,
    Up to the utmost bound of the everlasting hills.
    They shall be on the head of Joseph,
    And on the crown of the head of him who was separate from his brothers.

    27 “Benjamin is a ravenous wolf;
    In the morning he shall devour the prey,
    And at night he shall divide the spoil.”

    28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel, and this is what their father spoke to them. And he blessed them; he blessed each one according to his own blessing.


    Now, I believe this is the latter part of the "last days". Note that neither the British Empire nor the USA are that old compared with the history of man since Jacob's time. (C. 2100 BC)
     
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    You need to realize that Christ and the Church are Biblical Israel. Those calling themselves "Israel" are not. God removed them from Israel.
     
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    You need to realize there's SPIRITUAL Israel & PHYSICAL Israel. A physical Israeli(or anyone else) can become a spiritual Israeli, but one can only be a physical Israeli by inheritance.
     
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    One easily-seen fulfillment of Jacob-s prophecies to his sons-Levi was dispersed thruout ancient Israel, & after the Jews broke from the other tribes, the Levites joined them & became Jews. And the Levites were blessed to have produced Moses, Aaron, & Miriam, along with the priesthood.

    As for Benjamin, it was a small but mighty tribe, with many of its warriors proficiant with a sling, which was quite a dangerous long-distance weapon. Due to its small size, it ended up becoming Jews. Paul was a Benjaminite Jew.
     
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    Circumcision made one a member of Israel. Christ abolished it on the cross. It's a religion, not a race.
     
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    There are Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Christ!
     
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    MMRRPP ! WRONG !

    Paul was still a Jew by race after Jesus died, & after his salvation. He said as much himself.
     
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    Race? God made of one blood all nations. It's a religion, one of the most wicked today that is based on their hatred of Christ. And you think they're just swell?
     
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    The only RACE men have in common is "homo sapiens". You see my pic in my posts. Do I look like Obama except for being a human?

    All dogs are canis lupus familiaris. But my 125-lb. Siberian husky doesn't look at all like my daughter-in-law's 4 lb. Chihuahua. While both are dogs, they're very-different in both appearance and habits.They're separate BREEDS of the same species.

    We call the different types of people "races" because "breed" is used for animals. And, like it or not, the Jewish people are their own "breed", or "race", regardless of their religion.

    And the religion is separate from race. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew by religion, but not by race. Paul was a Jew by race, but, after his salvation, not by religion. He remained a racial Jew after his salvation.

    I don't see why you insist on the hooey you posted above when Scripture plainly shows race & religion are separate entities.
     
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    The bible doesn't teach racism. We are one blood called the human race. Besides, any baby boy not circumcised on the 8th day remained a gentile and was kicked out of Israel.
     
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    And note the way Peter quotes the promise as applying to the believers. 1 Peter 2.

    Talk to me about the good figs and the bad figs of Jer 24. Did there need to be some good figs in the land when ; but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, ? Where were the bad figs of the House of Judah at that time.

    The man asked and answered. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. Whether good or bad God has not cast them away, God scattered, Them.

    Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. Amos 3:1,2 ----- That was written just before God began to scatter them beginning with the House of Israel then the House of Judah bringing back some good figs for the purpose of Christ to be born.

    Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to a foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied! 1 Peter 1:1,2 YLT You only have I known. What does sojourners, mean? Forever? Exactly who was Peter writing, for? Who would need to read concerning: When in the fulness of time? Was it the same people James was writing, for? James 1:1 YLT James, of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ a servant, to the Twelve Tribes who are in the dispersion: Hail!

    What did Moses tell God when God was ready to cast them off and begin anew with Moses?

    IMHO Rule ship of the kingdom will be given to a remnant of chosen ones of God to rule with Christ, over all the people of the kingdom .
     
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    Do you believe God can graft them in, again? Do you believe God is going to graft them in, again? Do you think the means for grafting in is similar to reconciliation by the blood of Christ?
     
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    Actually, the Bible DOES mention racism. Moses was criticized for having an Ethiopian wife. And an uncircumcised boy was still a racial Israeli. That couldn't be changed by men. If I slept in a garage, would that change me into a car ?
     
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    Jews have accepted Christ, making them Christians, since Jesus arrived in the first advent. This is ongoing.

    But mind you, they exist as a body of gentiles since Christ abolished circumcision on the cross. They exist solely because of their hatred of Christ and remain under God's wrath till the end of time. Biblical Israel is Christ and his church.
     
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    It only suggests that sinful people are racists. I see no distinction in people. We are all of one blood.
     
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    They'd still be Jews by race no matter what shape their organs are in.
     
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    ...Except when they're not.
     
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    It's a religion, not a race. Besides scripture rules out racism.
     
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    You think people are of different races (racism). The Bible teaches they are not.
     
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    Judaism is a religion.
    Being a Jew is being of a certain race.
    Scripture does NOT rule out racism. Non-Israelis were not allowed in the Tabernacle or temple.
     
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