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What is the difference between Cornelius and the rich young ruler?

If God choses someone for salvation based on their good works, What’s the difference between the two

  • Jews and Gentiles to different standards regarding choosing for salvation

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  • God requires rich people to give all their wealth to the poor.

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  • God chose Cornelius for salvation according to His will and not by his good works

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37818

37818

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The lesson of the rich young ruler. He did not understand the sinfulness of man in need of the Savior. He addressed Jesus as the man as good. Jesus cited all of the Law regarding man to others less the commandment of "thou shall not covet." The purpose was the teaching that by the keeping of the Law no one can be justified. The young man left on his own.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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canadyjd said:
The focus of the OP concerns the assertions by some that the “good works” of Cornelius were the reason God chose him for salvation.

My question is, if this were true of Cornelius, why not the rich young man?
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What say you?

I gave my two cents worth in post #8.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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SavedByGrace said:
what about Abraham and Rahab in James chapter 2?
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Though this is a digression from the OP, I will address your question, hoping you are serious about the discussion.

James uses the word “justified” in the sense of “validated”.

Abraham’s and Rahab’s faith was validated by their works.

The same is true of Christians today. Our profession of faith is validated the works we do which God has prepared for us to do.

So, the point of Jams argument is the “works” that come after salvation are expected for those who make a profession of faith in Christ and in no way did our “works” prior to salvation cause God to chose us for salvation.

peace to you
 
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AustinC

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37818 said:
The lesson of the rich young ruler. He did not understand the sinfulness of man in need of the Savior. He addressed Jesus as the man as good. Jesus cited all of the Law regarding man to others less the commandment of "thou shall not covet." The purpose was the teaching that by the keeping of the Law no one can be justified. The young man left on his own.
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The young man leaves because he is attempting to be justified by the law and Jesus, as Jesus always does, showed that no one is justified by the law. Even though the man had done much to keep the law, he still fell short of justification. Thus he left in sadness.

Humans have always been justified by faith alone. That faith, given to them by God, does the work God ordained them to do.

The reason why Cornelius is given the vision and God brings Peter is precisely because Cornelius had God-given faith to believe under the Abrahamic Covenant, yet he had not heard that the New Covenant had been established for all humanity to receive by God's grace alone.
Cornelius was one of the transitional person's who lived under the Abrahamic Covenant and bridged into the New Covenant.
 
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canadyjd said:
No, I don’t believe God choses someone for salvation based on what they do. That’s the point.

The rich young man was also a worshipper of God. He followed all the commandments of God since his youth, including loving his neighbor according to Jewish law.

If it’s the “good works” that gets God’s attention so that He choses someone for salvation (as some are arguing) why not the rich young ruler? He had followed Judaism since his youth, keeping all commandments, while Cornelius was a Gentile convert to Judaism.

If you believe it’s the “good works” that causes God to chose for salvation, please explain the difference between Cornelius and the rich young man.

peace to you
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That is your definition of work not the Bible’s. Works with regards to salvation is always referenced to the law not just any old action taken by man.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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canadyjd said:
Though this is a digression from the OP, I will address your question, hoping you are serious about the discussion.

James uses the word “justified” in the sense of “validated”.

Abraham’s and Rahab’s faith was validated by their works.

The same is true of Christians today. Our profession of faith is validated the works we do which God has prepared for us to do.

So, the point of Jams argument is the “works” that come after salvation are expected for those who make a profession of faith in Christ and in no way did our “works” prior to salvation cause God to chose us for salvation.

peace to you
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I have already said that you don't understand what you are talking about and this proves that
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Revmitchell said:
That is your definition of work not the Bible’s. Works with regards to salvation is always referenced to the law not just any old action taken by man.
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Ok, but does God chose someone for salvation based on their works, however you define works?

peace to you
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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SavedByGrace said:
I have already said that you don't understand what you are talking about and this proves that
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Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

I have no desire to engage in witless insults with you. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you
 
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MB

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canadyjd said:
The rich young man claimed he kept the law since his youth. Jesus did not contradict that claim. Jesus told him he lacked only “one thing” which had something to do with his wealth, not with keeping the law.
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I believe the rich man must have lied about keeping the Law because this would mean he was sinless. Jesus listened to him He didn't Judge him. The bible clearly states there is no man with out sin there fore the rich man must have been a sinner and certainly lied about keeping the whole Law. Breaking the Law is the only sin under the Law

canadyjd said:
The man didn’t claim he was sinless. The OT Law allowed for sacrifices for sin.

Jesus gave him instructions for eternal life that went beyond the OT Law. He was told to give all his possessions to the poor and follow Jesus.

If “good works” were necessary for God to chose someone for salvation, the rich young man would have been chosen for salvation.

peace to you
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MB
 
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AustinC

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kyredneck said:
Wow. ....the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2:13



Wow. ...Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2:24
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Shall we look at all of Romans to see if your one sentence is definitive? Or perhaps all of James? It is tiresome to see people plucking sentences and creating theology from them. Moreso, you ignored the whole of what I wrote and plucked a sentence. In short, you have been dishonest.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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AustinC said:
Shall we look at all of Romans to see if your one sentence is definitive? Or perhaps all of James?
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Sure, I'm game. You go, boy.

AustinC said:
It is tiresome to see people plucking sentences and creating theology from them.
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What's tiresome and soooo redundant on this board is parrots like yourself that pick up a little Reformed Theology, get their brains sucked out and replaced with creeds and solas, never have an original Bible thought of their own after that and attack, insult, and criticize those that do exercise their Right Of Private Judgement.
 
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