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Are the New Hampshire Confession & BFM Calvinistic?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Humble Disciple, Jun 30, 2021.

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  1. Humble Disciple

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    Does anything in the New Hampshire Confession contradict Calvinism?

    The New Hampshire Baptist Confession. A. D. 1833.

    Does anything in the Southern Baptist Faith & Message contradict Calvinism?

    Baptist Faith & Message 2000 - The Baptist Faith and Message

    It seems that, historically, there wouldn't be the BFM without the New Hampshire Confession, and there wouldn't be the New Hampshire Confession without the 1689 London Baptist Confession, which was largely based on the Westminster Confession:

    https://www.arbca.com/1689-confession

    The 1644 Baptist Confession, a previous Reformed Baptist confession of faith, came before the Westminster Confession:

    1644 Baptist Confession of Faith - Wikipedia
     
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    Welcome to the Baptistboard,

    The New Hampshire confession is fine.
    The Bfm...is a watered-down compromise beginning to depart from solid truth.
     
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    Yep.BFM is compromised to the point that neither an honest Cal, nor an honest Non-Cal, can say they agree with it.
     
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    Yes..vague wording that stands for nothing is useless.
    It is like a radio station that says they play a mix of 8 different kinds of music thinking it will please everyone, but 7 out of 8 songs you will not like because it is not your preference
     
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    Is there anything in the BFM that specifically contradicts Calvinism?

    I am not a Southern Baptist, and my church's confession of faith appears to be, word for word, based on the New Hampshire Confession.
     
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    Both the New Hampshire Confession and the BFM teach, as far as I know, the perseverance/preservation of the saints.

    What I'd like to know is how one can hold to the perseverance/preservation of the saints without being a Calvinist. Doesn't Arminianism teach conditional perseverance of the saints?
     
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    Can't speak to the BFM, I've never been a part of the SBC. But, I do know the NHC. And yes it is Calvinistic. It is a follow-on to the previous Particular Baptist Confessions.
     
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    This says that the New Hampshire Confession was intended to be a compromise between Calvinists and non-Calvinists:

    What I'd like to know is how one can hold to the perseverance/preservation of the saints without being a Calvinist.
     
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    Depends on what lens you read it through. It is a cleverly composed compromise doctrine. If you read it wanting it to be Calvinistic, it can be. If you read it wanting it to be anti-Calvinistic, it can be.
     
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    I'm not a Calvinist and I absolutely hold to preservation (not perseverance) of the saints. Saints can and do make shipwreck of the faith but God is faithful. He may take them out of this world but their eternal destiny is secure.
     
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    I don't know that answer either. I know why they say they can.
     
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    Surely you all don't think someone has to be a Calvinist in order to discern truth from the scriptures.
     
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    No, bit to logically defend E.S. you have to be
     
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    Classic view is that one "might" be able to lose salvation, if commit Apostasy, but have found many holding to Arminism do support eternal security!
     
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    seems to read as supporting free will and universal atonement!
     
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    I'm not a Calvinist and I can defend it.
     
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    Not without breaks in logic and creating contradiction.
     
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    You say followers of John Calvin have a corner on defending the truth, like E.S.. I've news for you, you don't have a corner on the truth.
     
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    I said no such.
     
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    Ok, you didn't. Sorry.

    I'm a Monergist but not a Calvinist. Is there 'a break in logic or contradiction' there? Perhaps you consider the two terms to be synonymous?
     
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