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Two Elections, First Corporate, Then Individual
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Biblical truth My people elsewhere does not rewrite John 17 to include "a people." No one said or suggest God's election is determined by humans, it is determined by God. God allows people to make decisions and plans within the purview He allows. No one said or suggested humans can thwart God's plan.
On and on, folks, falsehood after falsehood to derail this threads topic.
Here is a simple answer for understanding Ephesians 1:4, we were chosen corporately, as those the chosen Redeemer would redeem. When the Word was chosen individually to be the Lamb of God, and Redeemer, we were therefore chosen corporately as those the Redeemer would redeem, thus we were chosen in Him corporately. You do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem. This is what Paul meant when he said we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. We were chosen corporately as the target group of God's redemption plan. Subsequently of course, we were chosen individually, our conditional election by reason of God crediting our worthless faith as righteousness...
When the Word was chosen to be the Lamb of God? Huh? He has always been the Lamb of God. I know this is referring to Him giving His life for His ppl, but hasn’t He always been the Lamb of God?
The sheer ignorance of Calvinists is astonishing to behold. Our "chosen One" is now claimed by a Calvinist to not have been chosen!!!!!!!!
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”
Luke 23:35
And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.”
Here is a simple answer for understanding Ephesians 1:4, we were chosen corporately, as those the chosen Redeemer would redeem. When the Word was chosen individually to be the Lamb of God, and Redeemer, we were therefore chosen corporately as those the Redeemer would redeem, thus we were chosen in Him corporately. You do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem. This is what Paul meant when he said we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. We were chosen corporately as the target group of God's redemption plan. Subsequently of course, we were chosen individually, our conditional election by reason of God crediting our worthless faith as righteousness...
I’m questioning your verbiage of Jesus when you said “When the Word was chosen individually to be the Lamb of God,” and I’m wondering how He chose to be the Lamb of God when He has always been the Lamb of God. I know Lamb of God also refers to His giving His life for His ppl, but did He choose to be the Lamb of God or is He always the Lamb of God? I’d say the latter.
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You can believe what you will, I provided evidence the Christ, the Messiah, the Redeemer, the Lamb of God, was chosen to be our savior. Christ was part of God's chosen redemption plan before the foundation of the world, thus the foreknown plan being implemented per 1 Peter 1:20. Some translations (not those I prefer) actually translate "foreknown" as chosen, i.e. NIV, HCSB, NLT, etc.
Yet another false post by another Calvinist throwing up falsehood after falsehood. He said Christ was not chosen to be the Lamb before creation and was thus predestined to be the Lamb of God? Nobody...
On and on, folks, falsehood after falsehood...
Did anyone say Christ died according to the predetermined plan? Yes, it was the inspired writer of Acts of the Apostles 2:23, and his name was Luke.
Fast and furious the Calvinism try to hide their ignorance in an avalanche of false and subject changing posts. We have seen it all before...
The question of this thread ultimately resolves to timing.
Is GOD subjected and held to act only in human time, or is God the creator of human time and as in all creation impacts yet not impacted by the human time?
Therefore, any corporate scheme is limiting God in some Devine attribute to a human time and existence.
Either God knows all or is limited by corporate election
Either God is present in all places at all times in all times as the “I Am” or is limited by corporate election.
Either God directly formed by His desire all (both the vessels of honor and dishonor) or is limited by corporate election.
All schemes of corporate election are ultimately limiting the Divine nature of God.
Is GOD subjected and held to act only in human time, or is God the creator of human time and as in all creation impacts yet not impacted by the human time?
Therefore, any corporate scheme is limiting God in some Devine attribute to a human time and existence.
Either God knows all or is limited by corporate election
Either God is present in all places at all times in all times as the “I Am” or is limited by corporate election.
Either God directly formed by His desire all (both the vessels of honor and dishonor) or is limited by corporate election.
All schemes of corporate election are ultimately limiting the Divine nature of God.
It makes the ultimate and final basis of salvation ourselves!
On and on, personal attacks instead of on topic posts. We have seen it all before...
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