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The Poll about the Death Penalty -

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Aug 14, 2021.

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  1. Yes, the NT permits for the death penalty as determined by law

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  2. Yes, But it should only be used sparingly - ie murder

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  3. No sure

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  4. NO - It is a sin for the govt to apply the Death Penalty

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  5. Other answer - please explain

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  1. JonC

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    They're, I agree. But it is a justification thing. They are inconsistent.

    Scripture does not directly address abortion (except the abortionist compensate the father), but it does the death penalty.

    To execute a person except as allowed in Scrioture (not partly) is definitely a sin. To kill a child is as well.
     
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    “For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” Romans 13:3–4 (KJV 1900)

    Notice Paul says it's the magistrate's role, not the believer's role.
     
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    “So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.” Numbers 35:33–34 (KJV 1900)

    In this case, not putting a murderer to death involved the entire nation in the bloodshed of innocents.
     
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    The morality is totally different. There are new forms of witnesses. Forensics provides multiple witnesses.
     
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    Because the baby is innocent.
     
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    We need to execute all called for in Scripture. What quickly comes to mind is Murder, Rape, adultery, certain degrees of incest, homosexuality, beastiality, repeated disobedience to parents, witchcraft, and I am sure I missed a couple.
     
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    No. There are not new forms of witnesses. The testimony of believers (in Scripture, Israelites) is essential. It is a principle carried over into our redemption as well.

    Two members of "God's people" have to testify.

    The whole forensic thing is based on science that you have discounted anyway. :Wink
     
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    Scripture does not call for us to execute anyone.

    Scripture calls for us to expel those people - not kill them.
     
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    False statement and at best you are attempting to steer the conversation in an untrue conclusion
     
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    And please explain the word ‘expel’
     
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    No. It is the same - same kind of person.
     
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    expel
    verb

    ex·pel | \ ik-ˈspel \
    expelled; expelling
    Definition of expel


    1: to force out : EJECTexpelled the smoke from her lungs
    2: to force to leave (a place, an organization, etc.) by official action : take away rights or privileges of membership (Websters).


    Example: "expel the wicked man"
     
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    What about rape?
     
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    And so where would you expel them to?
     
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    As a personal decision I do not rape people.

    Do you have a passage in mind about rape?
     
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    To "the World" (expelled from the Church...the Christian community).
     
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    And what if the magistrate is a believer.
     
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    No, so you do not consider that a crime?
     
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    So is there such a place today where there is no Christians
     
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    The death penalty should be in agreement with the written word of God. Our country is not a theocracy and I do not think it should be (by reasons for a separation between church and state). But we as Christians who are citizens should vote our conscience as we each understand God's will in this matter.
     
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