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[JonC]

He said only Israelites who witnessed the crime and were not guilty of the same crime could initiate the execution.

He is wrong. I have no idea where he came up with those beliefs (except the not guilty of the same crime part as they would be executed as well).

 

[JonC]

As best I can understand from a Sermon of his I found, it comes from the Mishnah. That would make sense. Entangling the religious leaders in their own additions to the law.
I am going to be honest, the Mishnah is above my pay grade. Someone much more knowledgeable would have to weigh in on that.

It's Jewish oral tradition. It is, in a sense, where the Jews went astray.

 

[Reynolds]

It's Jewish oral tradition. It is, in a sense, where the Jews went astray.

It is my understanding it has been compiled into writing. I guess what I meant is I do not have an English copy of it, or any language copy for that matter.

 

[Ziggy]

Αναμάρτητος in context would implicate the leaders as being involved in the particular sin of using the woman as a shill to test Jesus, thereby disqualifying them from casting that first stone. No need to extrapolate beyond that.

 

[Iconoclast]

30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

33 33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

33 33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.

Where is this from?

 

[Salty]

Where is this from?

The Book of Numbers

 

[JonC]

It is my understanding it has been compiled into writing. I guess what I meant is I do not have an English copy of it, or any language copy for that matter.

It has been compiled into writing.

You may find this interesting (especially Mishnah Sanhedrin):

Mishnah | Sefaria

 

[Iconoclast]

Where is this from?

numbers35:
29 So these things shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

numbers35:
29 So these things shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.

Thanks

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It has been compiled into writing.

You may find this interesting (especially Mishnah Sanhedrin):

Mishnah | Sefaria

What may I ask is a Goyem doing reading Jewish traditions, primary and secondary holidays etc. These are not er ahh not oh never mind. Guess you are just curious. Be well.

 

[JonC]

What may I ask is a Goyem doing reading Jewish traditions, primary and secondary holidays etc. These are not er ahh not oh never mind. Guess you are just curious. Be well.

That is a good question (for John MacArthur who was relying on it for his sermon).

 

[Salty]

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[kyredneck]

It's Jewish oral tradition. It is, in a sense, where the Jews went astray.

8 This people honoreth me with their lips; But their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. Mt 15

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That is a good question (for John MacArthur who was relying on it for his sermon).

Why hasn’t someone questioned his reasoning. It appears to want to be a secret Jew.

 

[JonC]

Why hasn’t someone questioned his reasoning. It appears to want to be a secret Jew.

I question his reasoning.... but at the same time when we study the New Testament it is important to try and gain an appreciation of the context. That is the importance of studying these traditions - not for doctrine.

In a way, it is like studying the Law. The Mosaic Law is distinctly Jewish (given to a particular people, not their "forefathers", not gentiles, for a specific time and a specific purpose). We can read about the Temple and see how this points to Christ as the fulfillment of the Law.....but the application is distinctly to the Hebrews).

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Salty]

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