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The Poll about the Death Penalty -

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Aug 14, 2021.

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Is the Death Penalty permitted by the New Testament?

  1. Yes, the NT permits for the death penalty as determined by law

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  2. Yes, But it should only be used sparingly - ie murder

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  3. No sure

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  4. NO - It is a sin for the govt to apply the Death Penalty

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  5. Other answer - please explain

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  1. JonC

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    He is wrong. I have no idea where he came up with those beliefs (except the not guilty of the same crime part as they would be executed as well).
     
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    It's Jewish oral tradition. It is, in a sense, where the Jews went astray.
     
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    It is my understanding it has been compiled into writing. I guess what I meant is I do not have an English copy of it, or any language copy for that matter.
     
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    Αναμάρτητος in context would implicate the leaders as being involved in the particular sin of using the woman as a shill to test Jesus, thereby disqualifying them from casting that first stone. No need to extrapolate beyond that.
     
    #124 Ziggy, Aug 16, 2021
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    30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

    31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

    32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

    33 33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

    34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.
     
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    Where is this from?
     
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  7. Salty

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    The Book of Numbers
     
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    It has been compiled into writing.

    You may find this interesting (especially Mishnah Sanhedrin):

    Mishnah | Sefaria
     
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    numbers35:
    29 So these things shall be for a statute of judgment unto you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

    30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

    31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

    32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

    33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

    34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    What may I ask is a Goyem doing reading Jewish traditions, primary and secondary holidays etc. These are not er ahh not oh never mind. Guess you are just curious. Be well.
     
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    That is a good question (for John MacArthur who was relying on it for his sermon).
     
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    Six hour warning
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    8 This people honoreth me with their lips; But their heart is far from me.
    9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. Mt 15
     
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    Why hasn’t someone questioned his reasoning. It appears to want to be a secret Jew.
     
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    I question his reasoning.... but at the same time when we study the New Testament it is important to try and gain an appreciation of the context. That is the importance of studying these traditions - not for doctrine.

    In a way, it is like studying the Law. The Mosaic Law is distinctly Jewish (given to a particular people, not their "forefathers", not gentiles, for a specific time and a specific purpose). We can read about the Temple and see how this points to Christ as the fulfillment of the Law.....but the application is distinctly to the Hebrews).
     
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    This thread is closed

    Feel free to start a new one
     
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