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Understanding the Mark of the Beast

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  1. NewMusic

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    Lodic, you and the others are missing the point. Completely.

    The UPC barcode's Framework is specifically 6 6 6. That is fact.

    The implementation of their last phase, forcing humans to be marked in order to buy or sell, is very literal and it reads literally in the prophecy. And we are told WHEN this last phase will get implemented. I told you in a previous post already. If you choose to ignore all this, it's on you.

    But more importantly, not a one of you even bothered to follow the ramifications of what I demonstrated and ask any questions pertaining to it.

    For if the UPC is in fact the mark of the beast (and it is), you should ask where did it come from? And that would give you a major clue as to the identification of the beast. And you would then see that the "symbolism" in Revelation symbolizes something quite literal.

    The 7-headed beast is indeed an allegory. It symbolizes something. Something real. There are no living creatures that have more than one head, let alone seven. Now organizations, that is another matter.

    But I'm not going to explain to anyone all these things since you and others have chosen to remain blind.

    I will say this, though, because it pertains to this last post of yours:

    The New World Order is a term that in truth reflects the agenda of that beast. And this New World Order (beast) did not spring up during the past year. It's been in existence already for 100 years. Obviously, the Satanic system described by Jesus and Daniel and John, and other apostles, had to continue gaining strength, grow and develop, and affect their agenda on the minds of humanity. And it is succeeding wonderfully.

    It did not occur in a single year.

    So if you had any awareness at all, you would already understand what I just wrote.

    Hypothetical Analogy: And if you happened to be a Jew in Germany during the 1930's and there was a "bible" that revealed that a character (Hitler and his organization with Himmler) was going to come to power and start executing Jews in a few short years, a wise person who was Jewish would have had the sense to get out of Germany before all that began to play itself out, if they had such a book and had read it.

    Likewise, for the Saints during the End Days. There is a lot of content on this subject that is written with solemn warnings. The wise and prudent saints will not slumber.

    For those who have ears to hear.
     
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    The Number of the Beast is not 6 6 6 (three sixes separated by spaces). Revelation 13:18 shows that it is 666 - "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six." This does not fit into the UPC theory. I recommend reading "Calculating the Number of the Beast" at this link. Calculating the Number of the Beast - The American Vision It's a bit long, but well worth the read.

    That is really all that I have to say on this subject. Whether you read the article or change your views, all the best to you.
     
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    So before I respond to yours and others' thinking about the number 666 ( "calculated" is a translated word from the Aramaic), you think that the Framework in the code that is used worldwide for buying and selling, having three 6's as its framework, is mere coincidence?

    And that same framework of 6 6 6 is in both types of UPC barcodes... has no meaning? Just coincidence again?

    And all the other types of barcodes used in the world (and there are many types and kinds) do not have that framework. Only the two UPC codes that are used in buying and selling have 666 as their framework.

    Just coincidence you say?
     
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    Most translations use the term "calculate", although I discovered the NLT says "understand". However, the Number of the Beast is always 666, often spelled out as six hundred sixty-six. Based on that alone I don't believe the framework with three 6s separated by spaces in the barcode has anything to do with the Mark of the Beast. It's just a number in a code, nothing more.
     
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    Forgot to mention one more thing. As I said, it's 666. The Number of the Beast is NOT a series of sixes nor a pattern of sixes. The UPC barcode has three sixes, but it does not contain the Number of the Beast, which is 666 (six hundred sixty-six).
     
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    Most likely, imo, some geeky tech guy was developing the code and said to himself, “hey, let’s drive those Christians nutty by putting “666” in the code”.

    This has been debated for 40 years. Even if it’s true, I don’t think so, but if it is, what practical impact does it have on our lives?

    What exactly are you suggesting Christians do?

    Peace to you
     
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    Consider whether this is the intended interpretation:

    Man was created in the 6th day. So 6 is the number of man.
    3 is the number of The Triune God.
    Three sixes is the deification of man. Why would a symbol of man be a mark of the beast? The power of the beast is not man, but Satan. But the deceit is that all of this is an evolution of man to veritable status of a god, the very same sin as the Adversary.

    So the symbolic idea is that man decides right and wrong because man has declared himself and his systems of thinking to be the aribiters of right and wrong, correct and incorrect.

    Taking this mark on the hand and the forehead is symbolic, not literal. It is about tacit acceptance of, or of "going along to get along" with, the IDEA represented by 666 -- the final authority of evolutionary man.

    Instead of taking the mark literally, we are meant to see it as symbolic of firstly action, symbolized by he hand, and secondly thinking, symbolized by the forehead.

    There is scriptural support for thinking of it in this way from Ezekiel 9:4.

    The difference here is that an Angel does the marking whereas in Revelation, people accept the "marking". In both instances, the marks are symbolic and not literal.
     
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    Your explanation of the meaning of the three 6's is right on. Perfect. I could not have written it better myself,

    Until you made the mistake of thinking it is not a literal mark on the followers of Satan and the evil system. Satan's people take the mark blatantly, and the enemies of the state who do not take it become quite obvious. It will be easy to identify us and round us up as enemies of the state... to be beheaded.

    Yes, the Lord's people are marked by God and we are not even aware of when this happens in the spirit realm. But not so for the followers of Satan (and the false prophet).

    You're entitled to your thinking, but not only does the scripture read quite literally (you will not be able to buy or sell), all the pieces are in place.

    I could go on to explain all the pieces, but you guys already do not believe what I have shown you thus far.

    All you guys who think that the number is a calculated number are off the mark big time. Ad Finitum spoke correctly on the meaning of three 6's. And the Framework of the UPC fits perfectly.

    But even more than that, the word in the Aramaic translated best in the Peshitta by Lamsa, is "decipher" which the binary code is exactly on point. The RSV translates the word as "reckon" which is better than the other Greek to English translations in this instance. But "decipher" is best.

    You guys keep ignoring all this blatant evidence, and it is strange that you believe Jesus is coming back and yet ignore obvious signs that are being shown you.

    The binary number is a code, which when deciphered reveals the 666.

    And it is used in buying and selling. And in the near future (a few years from now) the world will be forced to get their bank account number embedded into the framework of the UPC, so that their bank account number will be scanned in order to buy and sell.

    And it has been shown on various characters in movies and TV shows, to get people familiar and comfortable with the idea.

    And you are not educated on where the UPC came from, which goes right along with the rest of the prophecies in Revelation 17. And don't go to the enemy's source, Wikipedia" to learn. They lie. You won't find it there. You won't find it anywhere like you could had you researched during the 1980s up to the year 2000. The NWO is lying and deceiving and hiding truth that used to be readily available.

    You're all doing a wonderful job for Satan. You, the followers of Christ, are in disbelief at the signs, and go out of your way to convince other people to not prepare, not to understand that the Revelation prophecy is true and literal (things that can help convince doubters), and by and large... are nice pawns for the Satanic system (without your realizing it???).
     
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    So nice of you to have the enemy's talking points ready to go for them when the truth of this matter starts to become more well-known.
     
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    When I applied for a US Patent in the year 2000 for a technology that is now being used worldwide (another story about the evil corruption of the American government agencies), while looking through the databases of patents to be sure nobody had applied for anything like my invention, I came upon the following, twice. Once in 2000 and again in 2003. Two different people had come up with an ink to be applied to human skin for the purpose of coding and marking dead bodies (it was said) and the ink was made of some type of metallic substance that seemed permanent, but would easily wash off when using a magnetic liquid solution that was identified in their patent application.

    I remember clearly at that time, thinking "aha... this will be used for the mark of the beast (UPC barcode) and will be told people that it is only a temporary thing until their managed crisis is settled. And they will demonstrate how easily the tattoo comes off with this liquid solution, and the people will go along with it".
     
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    You are making scandalous accusations against brothers in Christ.

    You say those that disagree with you are preventing people from “preparing”. Please pass along your words of wisdom of what Christians should do to prepare. Please make the direct connection to the UPC barcode when giving your advice on preparation.

    peace to you
     
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    My hope is to rattle your cages and cause you to rethink your positions.

    I'm providing hard evidence which lines up with the prophecy perfectly, but your (plural) disbelief will have consequences (not necessarily spiritual, though it might depending on various things).

    Proverbs 15:7 The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the minds of fools.

    Proverbs 15:12 A scoffer does not like to be reproved; he will not go to the wise.

    Grant me a little space, i.e. laxity. -- You do not know me and I do not know any of you. If I were to hate you, which I do not, this is the internet and should be judged as such. We argue with one another's content - the printed words. And furthermore, whenever we sin we are in fact siding with Satan at that time against the Lord. Is that not patently true? It is. We go over to Satan's side, against God, when we choose to sin.

    None of us are perfect yet, especially me. I'm able to take the same judgment against me as I hand out, i.e. I really care about truth, and if your words ruffle my feathers, I really want to know the truth and ultimately appreciate your trying to get me to see. I'm not easily offended, and I love people who live by "Better is an open rebuke than hidden love." Truly I do. If I'm in sin or error, I WANT people to tell me. And if snot is dripping down my nose and I'm not aware of it, I appreciate somebody telling me so as to not further be embarrassed.

    And Jesus did not get into bickering with people either. He simply ended his teaching with "He who has ears to hear, hear." The meaning is if you do not subscribe to His words, perhaps you will later, or maybe you never will. But He is not going to give signs nor bicker back and forth with people.

    One person argues for evolution (as ridiculous as that is) and another argues for the Creator. We speak the truth and let the words have their effect, if any, on the listener. We all know that truth from our lips is not enough to make people see. Unless the Lord and Father bid such to come to Him, they cannot see. God has to grant sight and repentance to people. Now, with that said...

    Because I believe all of you are in fact born-again and have a deposit of God within yourselves, I take advantage of you that I can try different approaches to get you to see, because having God's spirit in you, gives you a better chance of seeing the error of your ways. At least it should. And the saints above all people, should know how to turn the other cheek. Love me!

    This is not the place for it... I might create another thread, but there is a difference in getting born again and being filled with the Holy Spirit. I am familiar with the Baptist position of arguing against and grieving the Holy Spirit by teaching their own and others that God no longer does the miracles and gifts as recorded in the bible. It grieves the Holy Spirit that Baptists do such things. I hope it does not blind you Baptists ultimately from heeding important warnings in these End Days.
     
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    I appreciate your attitude regarding our disagreement. We should be able to discuss this as brothers and sisters in Christ, just as we are doing.

    Even the KJV spells it out the Number of the Beast in Revelation 13:18 as "Six hundred threescore and six", and the RSV which you used earlier spells it out as six hundred and sixty-six. Whether you "decipher", "reckon", or "calculate" it, it's 666, not a series of sixes nor a pattern in a code.

    The danger that many are concerned with is that those Christians who unwittingly take the mark will be condemned to Hell. This contradicts the "Once Saved, Always Saved" view (i.e. you can't lose your salvation). Speaking for myself, even though I believe that most of the events of Revelation were fulfilled in AD 70, I would not take the mark you describe because I also know I could be wrong. (After all, the Scriptures are inspired, but our interpretations are not.) Let's say that somehow I am forced to take it, or even tricked into taking it. That brings us back to the question of whether this will cause me to lose my salvation. Is my salvation secure or not? Since we are discussing marks, I will pick up on what @ad finitum said earlier regarding Ezekiel 9:4. I agree this is symbolic language for those who belong to God. Those who follow Christ are "sealed" in Revelation 7:2-3 and Revelation 9:4, as well as John 6:27, Ephesians 4:30, and 2 Timothy 2:19. Could Satan's mark override God's seal?

    As @canadyjd has pointed out, what do you suggest we do regarding the UPC? Surely this is more than a warning not to take the mark, even one that the ink washes off. Then there is the question of how often people change bank accounts. What about those who don't have a bank account? If you will pardon the pun, this simply doesn't add up.
     
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    You have accused those who disagree with you of working for Satan to prevent Christians from “preparing”.

    All those words and not a single statement about what Christians should do to “prepare” based on the information you provided on the UPC barcode.

    As long as you are quoting proverbs concerning “fools”, why not find the one that says “a fool desires nothing more than to make his mind known”. Proverbs 18:2

    peace to you
     
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    And the Ezekiel mark was for the death messengers (six men as in 6) to destroy with their shattering weapons. One of them was designated to take his ink horn and mark the foreheads of those who lamented the injustice in the city. Literal or symbolic? Did "six men" kill the people or was it actually the Babylonians? Did one of the "six men" literally paint a mark on people's foreheads? Or is the prophecy symbolic? I think we all know the answer.

    Likewise, the Revelation passage is filled with symbolic imagery. As with Ezekiel, what we know about prophecy is that if part of a passage is obviously symbolic, then all of it is symbolic. Otherwise, our interpretation becomes arbitrary and in error.

    Be that as it may, we see the infrastructure of this control mechanism being built today. For example, I already cannot buy a "Quesarito" from Taco Bell because they will only sell it to me if I order it using their smart phone app. I can stand at the counter all day while they make them for everyone else who have a smart phone but I cannot buy that burrito. I cannot buy something with my money because I don't have a smart phone. Imagine that.

    Another example: My internet router has instructions printed on it for customizing its configuration. But those instructions don't work. Why? Because that feature has been disabled. However, if you download the AT&T smart phone app, you can easily configure your router -- super duper easy. But without a smart phone, it's a slow crawl over a hundred yards of ground glass on the phone (a dumb phone) with tech support.
    But AT&T will say, "We can give you a smart phone bundle for very little money! Then you can download our app and configure your router". You get the idea that they really want me to own a smart phone and be dependent upon their apps. Leverage. Force. Coercion. Make it difficult to operate without their plan. Make it easy to operate with their phone and plan.

    At Sam's Club, you don't have to go through the register checkout. Just download their app and check your items out using your smart phoine as you put them in your basket. Your account will be deducted automatically and you're on your way after a brief eyeball check at the exit.

    But you say, "I don't have a smart phone."
    "Uh, that's unfortunate because soon, we will not have any registers in the store..."
    "So someday soon, I won't be able to buy anything here without a smartphone?"
    "Well, we're saving money by eliminating check-out staff to bring you better prices."
    "But if I paid for membership, and have no smart phone with which to buy, what good is my membership?"
    "You're in luck, we actually sell smart phones. We've got some great deals! And the app is free."

    Feeling uncomfortable yet?

    In China, it is mandatory to own a smart phone with the state's tracking software installed. How long before this is true everywhere else in the world? Everyone must own the tool that could enforce "the mark".

    Do you own one of these tools already? Were you so worried about bar codes that you were taken unawares? Can a smart phone be used to prevent you buying or selling?

    Those of you who already own a smart phone may have little idea how much pressure is being applied to people who have been holding-off buying a spy-on-you-phone. The level of coercion is enormous. "You MUST own one." Sooner or later, you will not be able to buy or sell without one.

    But the phone is not the mark. Bar codes are not the mark. These are just tools that we have willingly put in the hands of our would-be masters that give them leverage over us. What are they going to use that leverage for ultimately? Thought coercion. Thought policing. Submit or we'll disable your ability to buy or sell.

    Bill Gates proposes that all computers (including phones) have a unique ID (similar to a mac address), so that any message sent or posted anonymously can be tracked to its non-anonymous, individual owner. That way, "terrorists" can be identified. People who post anonymously on message boards can be identified with the content they have posted, thinking nobody would know their real identity. All of this is in the interest of public safety. And public safety is now tied to "fake news" or "misinformation". Track down the purveyors of incorrect thinking and "help" them get their minds right.

    Bar codes? A bar code is just a strip of data. A bar code is nothing. Commerce and data management are nothing but codes, quadrillions of bytes of them. DNA is code. Everything is code. The clue is in the meaning of the number, to which you have already agreed is the right meaning.

    It's not the technology or literal "marking". The marking is symbolic of what is going on in the mind. See Ezekiel. The Bible interprets itself. We know this. So let the Bible be its own interpreter.

    The day has not yet arrived where every human being must own the means of state control, but it's close. IMO, when that day comes, then the leverage of "The Mark" will be possible and mankind will be divided by who "has the mark", i.e. correct thinking, and who has not.

    Remember also that this technology can change and progress beyond a hand-held device. After all, it's just a tool and tools change but their functions remain. "The mark" is symbolic of submission to man-as-god (666). The tool of its enforcement is beside the point. The mark is on your hand or on your head, just like the Ink-Horn man clothed in linen in Ezekiel. It is no accident that there are 6 men in Ezekiel, marking and crushing skulls with their shattering weapons.

    So go out and order that burrito on your smart phone. It is food for thought.
     
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    The UPC barcode was invented by George Luerer (spelling?) in the early 1970’s. He worked for IBM (I think). He died 12/05/2019.

    Very easy to find the origins of the UPC barcode. Google it.

    peace to you
     
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    Even if he was the programmer, he did not originate the idea. You think this guy was sitting around his office and one day thought, "Hey, I'm going to devise a way to mark every product in the world and get all manufacturers to put this mark on their products because I'll convince them it's a good idea, and then I'm going to write all the retailers all over the world and convince them to invest in new technology scanners too!?

    You're off by miles.
     
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    You're getting tripped up over nothing. The mark is three 6's. How else would the apostle write that? The UPC is what he saw and wrote about. A series of three 6's is observed and written the same way.

    And yes, you can lose your salvation. And many do and will for their foolishness. Read about the 5 foolish virgins as one out of many, many examples.
     
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    You still failed to see what I clarified in your assessment. The mark as written about in Ezekiel from God (or His angel) was given to those who feared Him and were upright. There's no mention of the lost getting marked in that passage, am I correct?

    And in the Revelation which is quite literal, the mark is ordered by the false prophet, a man, who will convince the world that he is God, and he will kill all those who do not take the mark.

    Quite literal. No writing from John at all that this is symbolic.

    A literal verse does not need something to interpret it by. Or else the bible is all symbolic and we can just live our lives however the heck we want since you and others can assert that it's not literal. "You don't actually have to repent of your sins to go to heaven. God is love and He would never punish people for foolishness or failing to read His word and pray about it. Hey, we all have busy lives. God understands. He is merciful. And in the old testament when a son was disobedient to the parents and God ordered the parents to kill the rebellious son, that has no meaning at all. None."

    You've been warned. Many times.
     
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