Removing Unvaccinated from Transplant List.

[JonC]

Denver hospital is removing unvaccinated from transplant list.

The reason is the increased mortality rate (something that factors in with transplants).

Transplant patients who contract covid have a mortality rate that ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. Vaccinated patients have a significantly lower chance of contracting covid and if they do a greater chance of an asymptomaticinfection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/05/uchealth-transplant-unvaccinated/

 

[Reformed1689]

Denver hospital is removing unvaccinated from transplant list.

The reason is the increased mortality rate (something that factors in with transplants).

Transplant patients who contract covid have a mortality rate that ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. Vaccinated patients have a significantly lower chance of contracting covid and if they do a greater chance of an asymptomaticinfection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/05/uchealth-transplant-unvaccinated/

That's just plain wrong.

 

[Reformed1689]

Evil even.

 

[JonC]

My first thought is this is not right. But after a little reading I do understand the reasoning.

Those in line for a transplant have to have a lot of vaccinations prior to eligibility. The purpose is to defend against infections and diseases that can be more fatal post surgery. They have to have vaccines in enough time for antibodies to be established.

With transplant patients covid has a 20% to 30+% mortality rate. This is a significant issue. The vaccine has been proven to provide protection against contracting covid, so the risk of getting covid is reduced. If the vaccinated patient does get covid the mortality rate, while still serious, is also reduced.

Unfortunately doctors have to take survivability into consideration when prioritizing transplant recipients as for every patient receiving an organ another is bypassed.

 

[Reformed1689]

My first thought is this is not right. But after a little reading I do understand the reasoning.

Those in line for a transplant have to have a lot of vaccinations prior to eligibility. The purpose is to defend against infections and diseases that can be more fatal post surgery. They have to have vaccines in enough time for antibodies to be established.

With transplant patients covid has a 20% to 30+% mortality rate. This is a significant issue. The vaccine has been proven to provide protection against contracting covid, so the risk of getting covid is reduced. If the vaccinated patient does get covid the mortality rate, while still serious, is reduced.

But, despite the label, it is experimental. It has not been through long-term vetting.

 

[Reformed1689]

My first thought is this is not right. But after a little reading I do understand the reasoning.

Those in line for a transplant have to have a lot of vaccinations prior to eligibility. The purpose is to defend against infections and diseases that can be more fatal post surgery. They have to have vaccines in enough time for antibodies to be established.

With transplant patients covid has a 20% to 30+% mortality rate. This is a significant issue. The vaccine has been proven to provide protection against contracting covid, so the risk of getting covid is reduced. If the vaccinated patient does get covid the mortality rate, while still serious, is also reduced.

Unfortunately doctors have to take survivability into consideration when prioritizing transplant recipients as for every patient receiving an organ another is bypassed.

So what about this situation? This has NOTHING to do with prioritization. @JonC

Colorado Hospital System Denies Organ Transplants to Unvaccinated Patients, Forcing Woman to Search Elsewhere

 

[Reformed1689]

And again, people should be allowed the level of risk they take.

 

[Revmitchell]

And again, people should be allowed the level of risk they take.

it’s just one more attempt to manipulate people into knuckling under

 

[Reformed1689]

it’s just one more attempt to manipulate people into knuckling under

It is a despicable evil. In that lady's case it is as bad as murder or adult abortion.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

Just wait until the unvaccinated have organs harvested from them involuntarily to help out the "better" unvaccinated people.

After all, us unvaccinated are second class citizens. It's more important to save those with higher "survivability" according to the article.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is a despicable evil. In that lady's case it is as bad as murder or adult abortion.

Its definitely evil

 

[JonC]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

Just wait until the unvaccinated have organs harvested from them involuntarily to help out the "better" unvaccinated people.

After all, us unvaccinated are second class citizens. It's more important to save those with higher "survivability" according to the article.

Transplants, unfortunately, do depend on prioritizing people based on need and survivability.

It is not about "second class" citizens. There are a lot of vaccines that, if refused, would take you off the list. It is about giving the organs, which are extremely limited, to those more likely to survive.

Imagine if your lived one were second on the list. You took all the vaccines but the one in front of you refused the flu shot (this is also required). They get the heart anyway and die a month later if the flu. Your loved one dies because another was not avaliable.

The vaccines required have been proven safe. The Pfizer vaccine was studied for a year and a half "on the ground". Covid is more dangerous to transplant patients than the flu (covid has a 20% to 30+% mortality rate in post transplant). The vacvine significantly reduces the chance of getting covid, and should they get covid it decreases the mortality rate.

Think of it this way - is it really logical to trust experts to put a new heart in your body but distrust them when they tell you to take a list of vaccines first?

 

[Salty]

So does that mean that those who are addicted to cancer sticks and booze will be taken off the transplant list?
What other groups should we take off the list?

 

[JonC]

So does that mean that those who are addicted to cancer sticks and booze will be taken off the transplant list?
What other groups should we take off the list?

Yes. Smokers (tobacco and marijuana) and people with drug and alcohol issues are not on doner lists.

People have to take a lot of vaccines (including pneumovax, hepatitis A and B, influenza, and tetanus-diphtheria), so if they refuse one they are off the list.

Other factors that will get you off the list are obesity, active infection, being too unhealthy, and some serious heart conditions. Age can also get you off the list.

People wait 5+ years on these lists. So it is important to give the organ to those with the best chance to survive.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Transplants, unfortunately, do depend on prioritizing people based on need and survivability.

If we're dealing with pure survivability then I expect to see Samoans taken off the list as well due to their genetic makeup which causes obesity extremely often, yet something tells me they're probably still on donor lists.

I did read the rest of your comment and have thoughts, but I think everything hinges on impartiality in this case and this decision is clearly not impartial.

 

[Silverhair]

That's just plain wrong.

There are always consequences to the choices we make.
If the Dr. feel that it is better to not put those people at a higher risk of death then that is a moral choice they have made.
I would think that those on the list were told about it before they were removed from the list so they had the option to get the shot. It was up to them.

 

[Reformed1689]

There are always consequences to the choices we make.
If the Dr. feel that it is better to not put those people at a higher risk of death then that is a moral choice they have made.
I would think that those on the list were told about it before they were removed from the list so they had the option to get the shot. It was up to them.

That is the choice of the patient, not the doctor.

 

[Reformed1689]

Transplants, unfortunately, do depend on prioritizing people based on need and survivability.

What about the situation I posted where it is donor/recipient specific? That kidney is available to her and her alone...

 

[Reformed1689]

After all, us unvaccinated are second class citizens.

The President definitely believes this.

 

[Silverhair]

But, despite the label, it is experimental. It has not been through long-term vetting.

Well since this virus did not give us 10 yrs to do a long term study I guess we have to go with what we have. As always if you don't want the shot don't get it. Your choice and then live with the restrictions.