Removing Unvaccinated from Transplant List.

[JonC]

If we're dealing with pure survivability then I expect to see Samoans taken off the list as well due to their genetic makeup which causes obesity extremely often, yet something tells me they're probably still on donor lists.

I did read the rest of your comment and have thoughts, but I think everything hinges on impartiality in this case and this decision is clearly not impartial.

They don't take people off by race. But they do for obesity.

Their decision is not impartial. They are medical experts and have to manage these limited resources as best as possible.

Obesity, unvaccinated, tobacco use, age, overall health, drug use, infections....all of these come into play.

Individually it may not be fair to tell an obese man he is ineligible, or an unvaccinated woman she is ineligible. But it would not be fair to others who could use the organ either.

In the end they are picking those who have the best chance knowing those skipped may very well die. People wait 5+ years and many die waiting. We are talking about very limited resources.

 

[Silverhair]

So does that mean that those who are addicted to cancer sticks and booze will be taken off the transplant list?
What other groups should we take off the list?

If you look at many different health issues you will find there are restrictions that come along with care. This is just one that has made the papers. I would not want to be the Dr. that has to tell someone they are off the list but if they do not meet the requirements then that is what happens.
Covid has made all of us make some hard choices, some are just easier to live with.

 

[Silverhair]

it’s just one more attempt to manipulate people into knuckling under

No it is just a very bad situation that has been made worse by this virus.

 

[Silverhair]

And again, people should be allowed the level of risk they take.

They are being allowed to chose the level of risk they are willing to take.

 

[Wingman68]

Excuse me but how have they come up with these 20-30% mortality #’s? More spin. More punishment for the unvaxed. She had her own donor, a friend, also unvaxed, that is why. Only that. Evil.

Colorado hospital denies kidney transplant to unvaccinated woman and donor | Daily Mail Online

 

[Reformed1689]

Your choice and then live with the restrictions.

I only observe restrictions that have been passed into law.

 

[Reformed1689]

They are being allowed to chose the level of risk they are willing to take.

No they are not. You can tell yourself that lie all you want.

 

[Reformed1689]

No it is just a very bad situation that has been made worse by this virus.

No, made worse by tyrants.

 

[Reformed1689]

If you look at many different health issues you will find there are restrictions that come along with care. This is just one that has made the papers. I would not want to be the Dr. that has to tell someone they are off the list but if they do not meet the requirements then that is what happens.
Covid has made all of us make some hard choices, some are just easier to live with.

It amazes me how willing people are to give up freedom to dictators.

 

[Reformed1689]

But it would not be fair to others who could use the organ either.

You still have yet to address the woman who has a private donor. The organ would not go to anyone else.

 

[Reformed1689]

Well since this virus did not give us 10 yrs to do a long term study I guess we have to go with what we have.

Neither did any other disease. What a ridiculous argument.

 

[Silverhair]

No, made worse by tyrants.

You do love to use hyperbole. Why do you not just stick to facts.

 

[Silverhair]

You still have yet to address the woman who has a private donor. The organ would not go to anyone else.

So you still have the reality that the person has a higher chance of problems. If she is so sure that she will not have any trouble then perhaps she could sign a legal doc that protects the Dr. hospital etc. in case anything goes wrong. Since people are so sue happy now, if I were the Dr. I would insist on such a doc. But I bet you will say why should she do that as other people don't have to. And your right but the Dr. does not have to do the operation either.

 

[Silverhair]

Neither did any other disease. What a ridiculous argument.

Why is that ridiculous? You seem to want everything your way. But in the real world it just might not work that way. What you see as ridiculous others see as a great advance in medicine and a life saver, just depends on your view right.

 

[Reformed1689]

You do love to use hyperbole. Why do you not just stick to facts.

I am.

 

[Reformed1689]

. If she is so sure that she will not have any trouble then perhaps she could sign a legal doc that protects the Dr. hospital etc. in case anything goes wrong.

She asked to do just that.

 

[Reformed1689]

Why is that ridiculous? You seem to want everything your way. But in the real world it just might not work that way. What you see as ridiculous others see as a great advance in medicine and a life saver, just depends on your view right.

You ignored the point entirely.

 

[Silverhair]

It amazes me how willing people are to give up freedom to dictators.

How is that giving up a freedom. Freedom of choice means that I have the freedom of choice just the same as you. Has anybody forced you to get the vax? Didn't think so. You exercised your freedom of choice and thus accepted the consequences of those choices. Now it is time for you to be a man and just deal with them.

 

[Silverhair]

I am.

Facts are not what you get from facebook etc.

 

[Reformed1689]

How is that giving up a freedom. Freedom of choice means that I have the freedom of choice just the same as you. Has anybody forced you to get the vax? Didn't think so. You exercised your freedom of choice and thus accepted the consequences of those choices. Now it is time for you to be a man and just deal with them.

That is just it, nobody should lose freedom for not getting a shot.