Are any Original-language words reduced or removed in the KJV?

[Logos1560]

In response to your assertions in another thread, JD731, do KJV-only advocates have the arrogance to believe their human, non-scriptural opinions concerning the KJV as they choose to show partiality or respect of persons to its Church of England makers permitting them to reduce the original-language words of Scriptures by thousands of words, permitting them to add thousands of words in English for which they had no original-language words of Scripture, and allowing them to present some non-literal or dynamic equivalent renderings?

It makes zero sense for believers to reject the wisdom from God above that is without partiality, to commit sin by showing respect to persons (James 2:9) to the Church of England makers of the KJV, to use unjust divers measures/standards [an abomination to the LORD], and to deceive themselves or be deceived by believing assertions for the KJV that are not true.

 

[37818]

Proverbs 30:5-6, "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

 

[Yeshua1]

In response to your assertions in another thread, JD731, do KJV-only advocates have the arrogance to believe their human, non-scriptural opinions concerning the KJV as they choose to show partiality or respect of persons to its Church of England makers permitting them to reduce the original-language words of Scriptures by thousands of words, permitting them to add thousands of words in English for which they had no original-language words of Scripture, and allowing them to present some non-literal or dynamic equivalent renderings?

It makes zero sense for believers to reject the wisdom from God above that is without partiality, to commit sin by showing respect to persons (James 2:9) to the Church of England makers of the KJV, to use unjust divers measures/standards [an abomination to the LORD], and to deceive themselves or be deceived by believing assertions for the KJV that are not true.

Every thing the KJVO accuse the Translators for the MV of doing were already done in same fashion by the 1611 team!

 

[Van]

Sure, but it does not matter. Irrational believe rejects any and all evidence. The advocates for KJVOism will claim their translation is inspired, thus the original message is the KJV.

We should shake the dust off these who hinder Christ's ministry...

 

[Dave G]

In response to your assertions in another thread, JD731, do KJV-only advocates have the arrogance to believe their human, non-scriptural opinions concerning the KJV as they choose to show partiality or respect of persons to its Church of England makers permitting them to reduce the original-language words of Scriptures by thousands of words, permitting them to add thousands of words in English for which they had no original-language words of Scripture, and allowing them to present some non-literal or dynamic equivalent renderings?

" Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious." ( 1 Peter 2:1-3 ).

" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" ( Titus 3:1-5 ).

Please read the above, and give it some reflection, my friend.

 

[Dave G]

It makes zero sense for believers to reject the wisdom from God above that is without partiality, to commit sin by showing respect to persons (James 2:9) to the Church of England makers of the KJV, to use unjust divers measures/standards [an abomination to the LORD], and to deceive themselves or be deceived by believing assertions for the KJV that are not true.

Shall we both take a look at what you've made reference to in the above, and see what context it was originally in?

" My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 and ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. " ( James 2:1-9 ).

I've underlined the relevant portions so that they are easier to see for the reader.
It tells us that the wisdom of God that is without partiality, and the sin of showing respect to persons, can be found in the above...

Whose context is about treating a rich person who comes into the assembly better than the poor man in ragged clothes and has nothing whatsoever to do with what a person prefers in the way of translations or original language texts.

My hope is that you will see this and admit your error,
as well as reconsidering the wording of your posts on this topic so as to better make your point without damage to the other person, or their reputation, in the process.


May God bless you, sir.

 

[Dave G]

@Logos1560:
Here is the other:

" Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace." ( James 3:13-17 ).

As you can see, it's not about "winning the debate", and on this subject there seems to be a lot of "envying and strife".

A believer's conduct is to be peaceable according to this, is it not?
The wisdom that is from above is gentle, without partiality and the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace...
Not in making war with those that you call "KJV-Only", and not in those that are known as "KJV-Only" in making war with those that don't share their convictions.

As in my prior posts the above, I implore you to heed the Lord's words and to take care how you make your point, Logos.
I believe that it can be done without resorting to the tenor that you've, so far, taken...
That anyone that is "KJV-Only" is not only in error, but arrogant, deceptive? and ( apparently ) many other derogatory descriptives.

To me you've succeeded in one thing over these many, many threads about this topic...
You've shown that you are firmly against their position, and you've done it very well.

As an FYI, I will not be making any further replies in this thread;
You and I are very well-acquainted with each other's positions, and we both know that there's no point in discussing things further.



Again ( and as always ), may God bless you, sir,
and I wish you all the best in all things.

 

[Logos1560]

" Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious." ( 1 Peter 2:1-3 ).

" Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" ( Titus 3:1-5 ).

Please read the above, and give it some reflection, my friend.

I have read the verses many times and have reflected on them, and you do not demonstrate otherwise.

My reasonable, scripturally-based observations and points are not evil speakings.

 

[Logos1560]

I believe that it can be done without resorting to the tenor that you've, so far, taken...

Perhaps my tenor and approach may has been just as kind and gracious as yours and as that of KJV-only posters.

You seem to take the tactic of throwing out allegations or implying evil motives or intentions on my part without proving them to be true. You cannot read my mind as you seem to assume. You fail to demonstrate that I am not making the effort to be as truthful and accurate as possible in what I post. I attempt to speak the truth in love. You do not demonstrate that you can make a sound, convincing case for your own position with a better or more gracious tenor.

You do not engage in serious discussion as you make negative, unproven claims and then refuse to discuss them or back them up.

 

[Yeshua1]

@Logos1560:
Here is the other:

" Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace." ( James 3:13-17 ).

As you can see, it's not about "winning the debate", and on this subject there seems to be a lot of "envying and strife".

A believer's conduct is to be peaceable according to this, is it not?
The wisdom that is from above is gentle, without partiality and the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace...
Not in making war with those that you call "KJV-Only", and not in those that are known as "KJV-Only" in making war with those that don't share their convictions.

As in my prior posts the above, I implore you to heed the Lord's words and to take care how you make your point, Logos.
I believe that it can be done without resorting to the tenor that you've, so far, taken...
That anyone that is "KJV-Only" is not only in error, but arrogant, deceptive? and ( apparently ) many other derogatory descriptives.

To me you've succeeded in one thing over these many, many threads about this topic...
You've shown that you are firmly against their position, and you've done it very well.

As an FYI, I will not be making any further replies in this thread;
You and I are very well-acquainted with each other's positions, and we both know that there's no point in discussing things further.



Again ( and as always ), may God bless you, sir,
and I wish you all the best in all things.

KJVO assumes inspiration was given by the Lord to their finished work, the 1611 Kjv, but there is no textual nor biblical evidence to back up their claim!

 

[Baptist4life]

Never criticize logos! Don't you know he's never ever been wrong? Just ask him, he'll tell you! He reminds me of Professor Irwin Corey, the worlds foremost authority! He rambles on most of the time like the professor does, repeating the same diatribe in weird sentence structures. I find him just as amusing, truthfully.

 

[Logos1560]

Never criticize logos! Don't you know he's never ever been wrong?

Your assertion is incorrect. I have nowhere claimed that I have never been wrong or never made mistakes in posts. I myself have edited and corrected mistakes in my posts when I noticed them during the time editing was still available. I welcome constructive criticism and correction of any errors in my writing and posts. For one example, I had asked over ten believers including KJV-only advocates to read my first manuscript on the KJV-only issue and to offer their criticisms and suggested corrections, and I made many of their suggested changes before I had it published.

Asking posters to back up what they allege is not at all saying "never criticize."

On the other hand, some may seem to want Bible believers never to criticize KJV-only claims that have not been proven to be true or even KJV-only claims that are not true.

 

[Baptist4life]

Your assertion is incorrect. I have nowhere claimed that I have never been wrong or never made mistakes in posts. I myself have edited and corrected mistakes in my posts when I noticed them during the time editing was still available. I welcome constructive criticism and correction of any errors in my writing and posts. For one example, I had asked over ten believers including KJV-only advocates to read my first manuscript on the KJV-only issue and to offer their criticisms and suggested corrections, and I made many of their suggested changes before I had it published.

Asking posters to back up what they allege is not at all saying "never criticize."

On the other hand, some may seem to want Bible believers never to criticize KJV-only claims that have not been proven to be true or even KJV-only claims that are not true.

 

[Baptist4life]

Thank you all for the "prayer" ratings. I need the prayer and you need the practice!

 

[Logos1560]

That anyone that is "KJV-Only" is not only in error, but arrogant, .

Are you saying that KJV-only advocates are not in error and yet you suggest that you are not one?
If you think that KJV-only advocates are are not in error and are correct in their KJV-only teaching, why don't you accept it?

Are you saying that KJV-only advocates are not arrogant in advocating any of their unproven claims or assertions?

Seeming to imply that she could not possibly be wrong in any of her claims, Gail Riplinger wrote: "Even simple statements in New Age Bible Versions were not made without years of study behind them" (Blind Guides, p. 51). Gail Riplinger asserted: “This book will provoke grave silence, as none can answer it, except with trite and tiny vagaries” (Hazardous Materials, p. 1192). Riplinger contended concerning her book: “Assuming, ‘the author’ does not know or understand ‘something’ will only be possible if the entire book is not read” (p. 40).

In an article "Why I Wrote the Book: New Age Bible Versions," Gail Riplinger stated: "Each discovery was not the result of effort on my part, but of the direct hand of God--so much so that I hesitated to even put my name on the book. Consequently, I used G. A. Riplinger, which signifies to me, God and Riplinger--God as author and Riplinger as secretary" (The End Times and Victorious Living, January/ February, 1994, p. 15).

 

[Logos1560]

4 are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. "
( James 2:1-9 ).

Perhaps the general truth or principle is not to show respect to persons or not to show partiality while the case of the rich and the poor may just be one example of how the general truth may be violated. The passage does not actually state that showing respect or partiality to the rich is the only way that respect of persons can be shown.

Overall the Church of England makers of the KJV were rich in power and authority and even rich in material goods at least compared to the poor believers that they oppressed and persecuted for their faith and that they brought before the judgment seat of the High Commission Court or Star Chamber. Most of the KJV translators held positions of authority and power in the state Church of England, and some of them were members of the Privy Council of King James. While many of them were not married, they had household servants and others for which they provided the means of support.