Reformed Salvation

[Yeshua1]

This their sin, God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory

PURPOSED to ORDER the fall to His Glory. very clearly says that God CAUSED the fall!

No, rather God knowing what Adam and Eve would choose to do, would use their sin choices to bring even more glory to his name, as He turned what Satan sought to do for evil to be for His glory in the Cross of Lord Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

so, the ability to not obey, is the same as "to sin". so what you say in # 81 is moot!

None save Jesus had that "free will" as Adam had when created!

 

[SavedByGrace]

No, rather God knowing what Adam and Eve would choose to do, would use their sin choices to bring even more glory to his name, as He turned what Satan sought to do for evil to be for His glory in the Cross of Lord Jesus!

That is NOT what the WCF says. I have a thread on this

 

[SavedByGrace]

None save Jesus had that "free will" as Adam had when created!

Says you! The Bible disagrees with you

 

[Yeshua1]

What you are saying not biblical. Foreknowledge is not the same as Foreordaining. There is a HUGE difference

God knows all things due to him being Foreordaining them!

 

[Yeshua1]

That is NOT what the WCF says. I have a thread on this

Stick to the 1689 edition, as we are baptists here!

 

[Iconoclast]

So the Reformed Theologians mentioned in the OP are wrong

i liked them

 

[SavedByGrace]

God knows all things due to him being Foreordaining them!

Before posting any more like this. Please do yourself a favour and check with the dictionary on the meanings of these terms.

Because what you said is complete codswallop

 

[SavedByGrace]

i liked them

Yeah do you agree?

 

[Iconoclast]

If you are going to agree with something it would be a good idea if you knew what you were agreeing with. That is not what SBG said, but then you know that.

He has it backwards

 

[George Antonios]

No "works" attached to this, only OBEDIENCE to the Just demands of God!

Obedience without works? (It's possible, I just want to get your position)

 

[Silverhair]

I don’t understand why anyone would waste cyber space attempting to discuss God’s sovereignty with you. You obviously have no interest in serious biblical discussion but want only to spew hatred for the doctrines of grace and those that believe what scripture actually teaches.

I’ll leave you to your unbiblical rankings.

peace to you

Those of us that do not hold to your DoG or your view of sovereignty will point out your errors. We do that because of Christian love for the misinformed. Over the years there have been a number of distortions of the Christian message, yours is just one more such distortion.

 

[George Antonios]

George, dispensationalism is a terrible hack job of the Bible. It does injustice to the grace of God in saving all God's elect, starting with Adam and going forward to the last of God's elect yet to know of their adoption.
sbg is confused because you are talking in the tongues of dispensationalism rather speaking scripture.

Generic condemnations not helpful.

 

[Iconoclast]

Yeah do you agree?

If God grants repentance and faith simultaneously when the person is regenerated The person then exercises those gifts

 

[SavedByGrace]

Obedience without works? (It's possible, I just want to get your position)

There are ZERO good works that any sinner can do to merit their salvation. It is because of God's Grace that we are saved, through REPENTANCE and FAITH

 

[Silverhair]

He has it backwards

How so, Oh right you think you hav

If SBG is starting to read Calvin and Watson he might just come around. The one thing I have honestly never heard a Calvinist propose is that there has ever been anyone lost who would have, if given a chance, turn to God on their own. That is constantly charged against Calvinism but I have never come across it taught anywhere.

Well of course not as according to Calvinism God has picked out all those that are lost and they have no chance to trust in Him.

 

[SavedByGrace]

If God grants repentance and faith simultaneously when the person is regenerated The person then exercises those gifts

That is NOT what they say in the OP

 

[George Antonios]

The bottom line is that you cannot perfectly know what will happen in the future, be perfectly able to change something that would alter the end result and then not be responsible in the sense of "ordaining it".

Delete "in the sense of 'ordaining it'' and we are agreed.
To some extent, God is responsible for allowing the free will of angels and men to introduce sin into his worlds.
That it not the same as predestinating things, in which case, God causes sin, deny it as forcibly as many do.

He gets slammed for going against Calvinism, then gets shown Arminian and dispensationalist arguments.

I reject both Calvinism and Arminianism, so it's consistent for me.

 

[George Antonios]

There are ZERO good works that any sinner can do to merit their salvation. It is because of God's Grace that we are saved, through REPENTANCE and FAITH

So are you saying that faith = repentance? I.e. that the repentance is a change of heart from unbelief to belief, apart from doing any good works? Just trying to understand you.

 

[Silverhair]

The problem in this thinking is that what humans were at creation they are no longer as a result of the fall. It does not follow that humans were created with an ability to repent when, before the fall, there was no need of repentance.

The Archangel

Just shows you do not understand free will.