All Humanity Originally In The Book of Life?

[SavedByGrace]

Now, they say, if the names of those who are written in God's book of life may be blotted out, then the decrees of God are changeable

These so called "decrees of God", are only man-made theology, that belong to the reformed/calvinists.

 

[JesusFan]

From a different thread:

37818 wrote:
The difference between the saved and the lost are whose names remain in the book of life. Revelation 20:15. There is a condition upon which one's name is not removed, Revelation 3:5 and 1 John 5:4-5.

Austin said:
I read the 3 references you gave, without explanation, and I think you may be claiming that all humanity is written in the book of life until God erases them from the book.

37818 said:
Yes. That is my understanding of the Scriptures on this matter.

Now do you know why I believe the names start out are in the book, being that all mankind are sinners?

Question:
What do you all think of this? Are all humans initially written in the Book of Life, but then God later erases their names as they sin?

That sounds like stating that God saved all in the Cross of Christ, and we are the ones who take yourself out of that?

Or maybe a form of karl barth, that all elected in Christ , so type of universalism?

 

[AustinC]

That sounds like stating that God saved all in the Cross of Christ, and we are the ones who take yourself out of that?

Or maybe a form of karl barth, that all elected in Christ , so type of universalism?

You bring up a good point.
First, if all are in the book (fully perfect, without sin) then the teaching would be full blown Pelagianism. (10 Things You Should Know about Pelagius and Pelagianism)
Second, which sin would be the action that would cause God to erase someone from the book?
Third, what human action would get someone back in to the book? (Some here would argue that you must repent and be baptized to get reinstated).
Fourth, what actions, after repentance could get you erased again?
Fifth, when would the cycle of repentance end and could one accidentally be in a moment of unrepentance that thus sends one to hell?
Finally, where has grace gone?

 

[JesusFan]

You bring up a good point.
First, if all are in the book (fully perfect, without sin) then the teaching would be full blown Pelagianism. (10 Things You Should Know about Pelagius and Pelagianism)
Second, which sin would be the action that would cause God to erase someone from the book?
Third, what human action would get someone back in to the book? (Some here would argue that you must repent and be baptized to get reinstated).
Fourth, what actions, after repentance could get you erased again?
Fifth, when would the cycle of repentance end and could one accidentally be in a moment of unrepentance that thus sends one to hell?
Finally, where has grace gone?

And why would any ever go to hell?

 

[AustinC]

And why would any ever go to hell?

In another thread, a person asked an interesting question.
Why stop abortions?

Grant it that I believe God extends grace to the aborted child, both those God gives over to death in the womb and those taken by the evil actions of men, but the question still remains...if all humans are born righteous, without stain of sin and only can lose their standing by having God blot them out.

Such an idea seems completely contrary to God's revealed word, yet one person, at least, believes it to be true.

 

[Dave G]

and WHO says that there are many Books, and that they don't all refer to the ONE Book?

" And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." ( Revelation 20:12 )

 

[JesusFan]

" And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." ( Revelation 20:12 )

Moses book also in the OT was about those physically alive or dead