Two Shepherds

[KenH]

@Van I don't understand what words "TSI" is a shortcut for.

 

[atpollard]

I don't understand what words "TSI" is a shortcut for.

Neither do I, but Van HATES monergism and Reformed Theology and the Doctrines of Grace and anything to do with TULIP ... so it must be something that interferes with his works-based synergism (he rejects even Classic Arminianism or Wesleyean Holiness). Since he refused to explain his cryptic abbreviations and chose to play the Gnostic (I know something that you don't) instead ... it seems time to shake dust on that fool and move on! [If I can mix metaphors. ]

 

[Van]

Neither do I, but Van HATES monergism and Reformed Theology and the Doctrines of Grace and anything to do with TULIP ... so it must be something that interferes with his works-based synergism (he rejects even Classic Arminianism or Wesleyean Holiness). Since he refused to explain his cryptic abbreviations and chose to play the Gnostic (I know something that you don't) instead ... it seems time to shake dust on that fool and move on! [If I can mix metaphors. ]

Atpollard hates truth. He posts outrageous falsehoods over and over. Calvinism is false doctrine.
He claims the biblical view is works based. No one stands up for truth. Election based on faith is not a works based salvation. Romans 4:16. Calvinism is unbiblical. They say we were not saved through faith, but saved then given faith. They say those born anew do not earn rewards. They say Christ did not die as a ransom for all people, those to be saved and those never to be saved. They say people are unable to respond to witnessing miracles with repentance unless first regenerated. Basically they say the bible does not mean what it says. Then they charge me with adding to scripture.

 

[atpollard]

Atpollard hates truth. He posts outrageous falsehoods over and over. Calvinism is false doctrine.
He claims the biblical view is works based. No one stands up for truth. Election based on faith is not a works based salvation. Romans 4:16. Calvinism is unbiblical. They say we were not saved through faith, but saved then given faith. They say those born anew do not earn rewards. They say Christ did not die as a ransom for all people, those to be saved and those never to be saved. They say people are unable to respond to witnessing miracles with repentance unless first regenerated. Basically they say the bible does not mean what it says. Then they charge me with adding to scripture.

@KenH
See, like I said: Van HATES Calvinism and will not explain his “secret” abbreviation. [ @Van - thanks for proving my point from post #22. I certainly spoke truth about you in that post.]

 

[KenH]

They say those born anew do not earn rewards.

Christ is the elect's reward. Do you not think that having Christ as a reward is sufficient? He is for me.

Genesis15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”

 

[Van]

@KenH
See, like I said: Van HATES Calvinism and will not explain his “secret” abbreviation. [ @Van - thanks for proving my point from post #22. I certainly spoke truth about you in that post.]

All you do is attack people rather than present your obviously false doctrine. You did not post truth. And the fact you deny the obvious, you did not post Van hates Calvinism, this is what you posted - "Van HATES monergism and Reformed Theology and the Doctrines of Grace and anything to do with TULIP ...." But I advocate "Monergism" and the "P" of the TULIP.

 

[Van]

Christ is the elect's reward. Do you not think that having Christ as a reward is sufficient? He is for me.

Genesis15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”

Truth is sufficient, as I was referring to rewards for faithful service after being born anew, not the gift of salvation. Your gospel does not reflect scripture as presented in verse after verse.

 

[KenH]

Truth is sufficient, as I was referring to rewards for faithful service after being born anew, not the gift of salvation. Your gospel does not reflect scripture as presented in verse after verse.

We disagree on this subject and all we are doing in debate in going in circles. If are agreeable, please no longer respond to any of my posts on theology and I will refrain from responding to yours. Deal? I see no point in doing nothing more than this between us on this board:

 

[KenH]

Just noticed that I had typed in the incorrect Scripture reference. It should be Ezekiel 34:1-16.

 

[Van]

We disagree on this subject and all we are doing in debate in going in circles. If are agreeable, please no longer respond to any of my posts on theology and I will refrain from responding to yours. Deal? I see no point in doing nothing more than this between us on this board:

LOL, even Reformed Theology agrees with me and God's word on the subject of born anew people earning rewards through faithful service.

 

[KenH]

LOL, even Reformed Theology agrees with me and God's word on the subject of born anew people earning rewards through faithful service.

I don't care who teaches it - any "rewards" beyond salvation are already ordained by God, not by human will, and are not such that humans have any right to self-glory in. If you agree with that, then we have nothing to argue about on the subject. All I know is that Christ is going to return, get rid of the present heavens and earth, and establish the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness. What that looks like or how God administrates it, all of the elect will all find out when it happens.

 

[robycop3]

LOL, a sermon addressing the supposed faults of other servants of God, but nothing to feed the sheep.

His false gospel says there is no opportunity to choose to believe, to respond to the good news. Thus his gospel becomes the bad news, you have no opportunity to choose Christ nor help lead your loved ones to Christ.

He calls the actual gospel an abomination. He calls those outside of Calvinist doctrine cults.

And, he's KJVO as well.

 

[KenH]

And, he's KJVO as well.

Really? What gave you that idea?

 

[robycop3]

Really? What gave you that idea?

Because that's the version he was using in the video.

 

[Van]

I don't care who teaches it - any "rewards" beyond salvation are already ordained by God, not by human will, and are not such that humans have any right to self-glory in. If you agree with that, then we have nothing to argue about on the subject. All I know is that Christ is going to return, get rid of the present heavens and earth, and establish the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness. What that looks like or how God administrates it, all of the elect will all find out when it happens.

Notice folks not one Calvinist posting here has the integrity to post that born anew believers earn rewards through faithful service. Even though that is the Reformed Theology doctrine. I kid you not...

 

[KenH]

Because that's the version he was using in the video.

One can use the KJV without being KJV-only.

 

[KenH]

Notice folks not one Calvinist posting here has the integrity to post that born anew believers earn rewards through faithful service. Even though that is the Reformed Theology doctrine. I kid you not...

If you are calling me "Reformed", then maybe you shouldn't be calling me "Reformed". I attend a sovereign grace church, not a "Reformed" church. In fact, the fella I was seated next to at lunch today at a restaurant left a "Reformed" church to attend the sovereign grace church that I also attend.

 

[robycop3]

One can use the KJV without being KJV-only.

Why use it at all for preaching? It's outdated.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Why use it at all for preaching? It's outdated.

Because many think of it as the version of record in English. It's not the "inspired" version, but when folks hear it they think Bible.

 

[AVL1984]

The KJV, while a great version, it's NOT the only Bible that one could use! I preach from it, but I also study from other translations. I don't think God is limited by our finite minds, beliefs, or convictions.