Featured Penal Substitution Atonement Theory

Jon, I'm having trouble seeing much difference in these two statements. The second statement seems to say he was stricken for us, bore our sins. Can I assume in our place? They look the same to me.

 

I have only heard if this stated by modern atheist cynics who think Christianity is an off shoot of a nomadic pagan religion.

If you have a different theory then state it. My question for you is do you think as a Christian that it was necessary that Christ die on the cross? If it was necessary then why?

 

Once the thread hit a dead end when I asked you why the priests and people were commanded of God to lay their hands on the sacrifice before slaying the sacrifice:

Lev_3:2 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
Lev_3:8 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons shall sprinkle the blood thereof round about upon the altar.
Lev_3:13 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of it, and kill it before the tabernacle of the congregation: and the sons of Aaron shall sprinkle the blood thereof upon the altar round about.
Lev_4:4 And he shall bring the bullock unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD; and shall lay his hand upon the bullock's head, and kill the bullock before the LORD.
Lev_4:15 And the elders of the congregation shall lay their hands upon the head of the bullock before the LORD: and the bullock shall be killed before the LORD.
Lev_4:24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.
Lev_4:29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev_4:33 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev_16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and CONFESS over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

Only a Japhetite could fail to see how laying one's hand on a victim and confessing one's sins over it amounts to a transference of guilt, thus also transferring the death sentence from the offeror to the sacrifice.

New Testament confirmation of the Old Testament figure in plain words follows:

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered [there's your "penal"] for sins,
the just for the unjust [there's your "substitution"],
that he might bring us to God, being put to death ["penal"] in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

George, what's your view of the atonement? I wasn't around before.

 

If penal substitution is not true, neither is the atonement.

 

That's a mischaracterization of PSA. The cross is simultaneously an act of love from both the Father and the Son, yet also a display of God's hatred for sin, as well as His love for Justice. There is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood.

 

Did Christ die for all humanity, those to be saved and those never to be saved? Yes 2 Peter 2:1.

PSA is a Trojan horse for the false doctrine of Limited Atonement.

Why would Christ died for all humanity, if those to be saved was predetermined? He would not. Thus individual election for salvation before creation is false doctrine.

Did Christ's death on the cross result in the opportunity for reconciliation to humanity? Yes. But to receive the reconciliation a person's faith must be credited as righteous by God alone, thus salvation is monergistic because God chooses whose faith to credit or not, thus the dirty rag faith does not merit or earn salvation.

 

Is Love mandatory or voluntary, is it a gift or taken by force.

Was the Cross a supreme act of vengeance or a Supreme Act of Love.

Why be Penal gazers looking at a punisher God, any one of the pagan gods are punishers looking for retribution. How like man those vengeful gods are. How like Islam that Catholics defended against.

Yes God is Great, but first and above all He IS Love.

Love is Eternal Love is God, A CONSTANT ETERNAL WORK OF GOODNESS BEYOND HUMAN DESCRIPTION OR DEFINITION.

If you err on the side of God being Love, you err not knowing just how true you are.

So what is this god that that requires the hateful punishment and death of the innocent to be placated. Moloch? He would suit that.

Do not attribute vengefulness to The Eternal Father, it is profoundly wrongful.
Do not allow the corrupting vision of God in Islam back into Christendom.

 

The payment is made to God's law, not to the devil.
And yes, the scriptures are all too clear that God the Father treated the Son (in his humanity, so no, there is no breakdown of the trinity) as not only a sinner, but sin itself (2Co.5) to the point that Christ likened himself to a serpent on the cross (Jn.3).

 

easiest answer is that is how Jesus and His Apostles saw the Atonement!

 

Mankind owes to God the obligation of being Sinners and law breakers, and someone must be judged and take the deserved Wrath and judgement to have God able to fully and freely Justify!

 

http://www.newhopefairfax.org/files/Packer Penal substitution revisited.pdf

 

The truth of PSA. Is the biblical truth.
A study of the Covenant of Redemption, and the High Priestly work of the surety, and meditorial work of the Lord Jesus is clear to see.

All other ideas are false theories and speculation they deny the full and particular work.
These deficient ideas seek to explain away the words

 

That atonement view best explains just how a Holy God is able to stay Holy and true to His very nature and still be able to freely justify lost sinners!