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Van, perhaps you simply don't understand what Peter is saying. Let's look:
Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
~ 1 Peter 2:2-10
First, Jesus is chosen and precious. God chose him, individually, before creation, to be the Redeemer.

Who was Jesus to redeem?
Each individual who makes up the Israel of God (read Romans 9), is a part of the holy nation, the chosen race, the royal priesthood.
Ephesians 1 tells us that the people, chosen for this nation, were chosen before the foundation of the world. Hebrews 9 tells us that each person, individually, had their name written in the last will and testament (new covenant) of Jesus, which gives us the inheritance God wrote down for us before the foundation of the world.

Van, your false teaching of corporate election is debunked everywhere in scripture. It is time to admit you are wrong...because the Bible tells you, not because your boogeyman haunts you.

 

Take it up with Paul and God. They declared you to be wrong on this point. You can't get around that.

 

Define corporate election please.

 

And no Calvinist disagrees with this, you realize that right? You just don't understand the clause, you break up the clause. We are chosen to salvation through faith. In other words, the chosen will always come to faith because they were chosen to do so.

 

And God said NOBODY seeks God. You are the one with the problem with Scripture here, not me.

 

Ok, that is what I thought you meant, just wanted to make sure. No, that is not found in Scripture. Scripture states that we are known, that is individual. The terms are singular, not plural. It is not a corporate election. That would mean God doesn't know who he is choosing. That leaves it up to chance. No, Christ came and saved the elect.

 

Faith as the vehicle? Yes, how does that go against what I said? It doesn't.

 

@Van if the act of faith is the BASIS for our salvation, not just the vehicle but the basis, then that is a works based salvation.

 

And again, you add to Scripture. It does not say "Nobody seeks God when sinning" that is your addition to Scripture and that is wrong.

 

You have provided bogus references with your own logic, not Scriptural backing. Individuals were chosen to become a people. A people are made up of INDIVIDUALS. You need to do a study on what it means to know, this is not know about, this is an intimate knowledge Van. Study to show yourself approved sir.

 

Yet here is what Scripture ACTUALLY says:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 3:10–12.

 

Nothing I said contradicts Romans 4:16