John's gospel uses the Greek word translated world to mean humanity

[Van]

They were chosen before the foundation of the world. Biblical.

Your argument is that they are chosen when they put their faith in Christ correct? That is unbiblical. That means it has nothing to do with God and everything to do with man. In other words, man chooses himself.

They were corporately chosen before the foundation of the world because scripture precluded their individual election before they existed as not a people.

No, why not address by actual doctrine, rather than misrepresent it. Ever hear of "credited by God faith?"

 

[Reformed1689]

They were corporately chosen before the foundation of the world because scripture precluded their individual election before they existed as not a people.

No, why not address by actual doctrine, rather than misrepresent it. Ever hear of "credited by God faith?"

Ever hear of God choosing?

 

[Van]

Ever hear of God choosing?

Idiotic response, as I addressed both corporate and individual election. One deflection after another to hide the false doctrine that unregenerates do sometimes seek after God. This truth is found both in the OT and in the NT.

 

[Reformed1689]

the false doctrine that unregenerates do sometimes seek after God.

Glad you finally realize this is false doctrine.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Nope

then who is the kosmos in John 3:16?

 

[Reformed1689]

then who is the kosmos in John 3:16?

Creation, Humans, that is what it is referring to. But the Human race does not equal all individuals.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Creation, Humans, that is what it is referring to. But the Human race does not equal all individuals.

when the NT was written, there was only Jews and Gentiles, as in non-Jews. If you were the the one, then you were not the other. This is the entire human race. You say that God so loves humans, but said this does not mean only the elect, so it can only mean that He also loves the non-elect, with Saving Love, which is what this passage 15-18 is about.

 

[Reformed1689]

when the NT was written, there was only Jews and Gentiles, as in non-Jews. If you were the the one, then you were not the other. This is the entire human race. You say that God so loves humans, but said this does not mean only the elect, so it can only mean that He also loves the non-elect, with Saving Love, which is what this passage 15-18 is about.

No, he has a general love for all creation but does not love all creation equally. It does not say he has a saving love for all, you added that in.

 

[Van]

Glad you finally realize this is false doctrine.

Thanks for pointing to my typo, here is what I intended to say: "I addressed both corporate and individual election. One deflection after another to hide the true doctrine that unregenerates do sometimes seek after God. This truth is found both in the OT and in the NT. The false doctrine is the bogus claim unregenerates do not ever seek God at any time.

 

[agedman]

Did anyone say "Kosmos" always refers to one thing? Nope.
Isn't it possible that God created humanity to choose for Himself His chosen people?

In your OP wasn't it used in basically one way?

Isn't "kosmos" considered all creation and not just humanity or humankind?

 

[Van]

In your OP wasn't it used in basically one way?

Isn't "kosmos" considered all creation and not just humanity or humankind?

Showing one intended meaning in selected verses makes no claim other meanings are intended in other verses.
Some people consider "Kosmos" refers to all creation and not just humanity in some selected verses, how the Lexicons provide evidence some people consider "Kosmos" to refer to humanity in some selected verses.

 

[agedman]

Showing one intended meaning in selected verses makes no claim other meanings are intended in other verses.
Some people consider "Kosmos" refers to all creation and not just humanity in some selected verses, how the Lexicons provide evidence some people consider "Kosmos" to refer to humanity in some selected verses.

Did not John use “kosmos” rather than humanity?

Certainly, kosmos may include humanity, but is it limited to humanity not just in “some selected verses” but in all verses that use the word?

BTW, isn’t the Greek word for human, humanity “anthropos?”

Did John use “anthropos” or did he use “kosmos?”

 

[percho]

then who is the kosmos in John 3:16?

Creation, Humans, that is what it is referring to. But the Human race does not equal all individuals.

Question/s

In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets, in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; Heb 1:1,2 YLT

For not through law is the promise to Abraham, or to his seed,[singular] of his being heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith; Rom 4:13 YLT
and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ; Gal 3:16 YLT
and if ye, are of Christ then of Abraham ye are seed, and according to promise -- heirs. Gal 3:29 YLT

having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself, Eph 1:9 YLT

in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him; ----- the whole, being the same as translated, all things, in Heb 1:2

How do my scriptures effect the thoughts of the quotes?

What exactly has God made known to, the chosen, predestinated, of Eph 1:4,5?

 

[Van]

Did not John use “kosmos” rather than humanity?

Certainly, kosmos may include humanity, but is it limited to humanity not just in “some selected verses” but in all verses that use the word?

BTW, isn’t the Greek word for human, humanity “anthropos?”

Did John use “anthropos” or did he use “kosmos?”

Yes John's gospel was in Greek not English. And yes, various English translations translate various Greek words with humanity, mankind, etc.

 

[agedman]

Yes John's gospel was in Greek not English. And yes, various English translations translate various Greek words with humanity, mankind, etc.

Again, Kosmos is concerning the whole of creation where anthropos concerns humans and humanity.

 

[Van]

Again, Kosmos is concerning the whole of creation where anthropos concerns humans and humanity.

Again, the argument Kosmos only means one thing, and never humanity is a ludicrous fiction.

 

[atpollard]

IF you were to admit that it does include every single human being, as Calvin says, "everyone without exception", then your "Calvinism" falls!

You do know that there were REFORMED Theologians writing when John Calvin was still wearing “little boy” pants? The BIBLE and not John Calvin is the authority behind “Calvinism/Reformed Theology”. (It was the Lutheran State Church that gave it the name “Calvinism”).

 

[SavedByGrace]

You do know that there were REFORMED Theologians writing when John Calvin was still wearing “little boy” pants? The BIBLE and not John Calvin is the authority behind “Calvinism/Reformed Theology”. (It was the Lutheran State Church that gave it the name “Calvinism”).

still avoids what John 3:16 really says!

 

[Reformed1689]

Again, the argument Kosmos only means one thing, and never humanity is a ludicrous fiction.

Technically it never MEANS humanity. But can be used to DESCRIBE humanity in its usage.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Technically it never MEANS humanity. But can be used to DESCRIBE humanity in its usage.

Man you do keep on posting nonsense