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Does the West Need Boots on The Ground?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by SavedByGrace, Mar 4, 2022.

  1. SavedByGrace

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  2. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    Your question assumes so many things that it's impossible to answer whatever you're trying to ask.

    1. "Destruction of Ukraine and slaughter of their people"
    Yes, this is what happens in war. This is normal. This is how a war is fought and won now and it will be that way until Christ returns. There are videos of Ukrainian civilians standing in front of Russia armed vehicles, trying to stop the Russian army. The Russians are actually driving around these civilians, or stopping entirely. How in the world can people call that a "slaughter". That is called "Restraint".

    2. What western countries have might anymore? We're all too busy sticking rainbow flags on our tanks and training spec ops tranny battalions, whining about collateral damage and complaining about "slaughter" of civilians while we do the exact same thing.

    3.Illegal invasion? By what standard? From Russia's vantage point they are securing their right to exist, which so many taking the Ukrainian position claim to be proponents of.

    4. You can rename Ukraine Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The U.S should take a note out of Dr Seuss and not touch Ukraine with a 39.5ft pole.
     
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    I'm not sure the Ukraine has ever been in a position to challenge Russia's right to exist.
     
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  4. Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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    I agree, and so does Russia. That is Russia's position. Russia wants Ukraine to be neutral where it can't threaten their right to exist. By itself Ukraine isn't a threat.

    However, instead of Ukraine being neutral, NATO has decided that the best way to prevent a war with Russia is to stick NATO along almost all of Russia's Eastern border and keep ratcheting up the threat level by inducting Ukraine ontop of Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.

    What NATO should've done is said "We have most of Central and Western Europe, the U.K, Canada, Australia (unofficially) and more versus Russia, a decaying country with poor demographic trends. Let's just hold position for now. We have nothing to gain by ratcheting things up a notch."
     
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    Yeah sovereign countries should totally conduct themselves to appease Russia’s paranoia.
     
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    Is this really a "war"? Russian invaded another sovereign country, to keep if from joining NATO and the EU, so I read in the press. However, Putin says that the Ukraine originally belonged to Russia, and was part of the CCCP?

    When we say the "West", it is mainly the US, as they have the biggest and most modern armed forces in the world. When the US says yes, then countries like the UK normally follow,

    Can we stand by and let this escalate into a wider conflict?
     
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    When you say NATO, this means mainly the US. If this is true what you say, then the US is provoking Russia but the expansion of NATO.
     
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    I agree that was the reason for Russian aggression. But at the same time, doesn't that impeded Ukraine's sovereignty as a nation?
     
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    how far can we allow this to go? What if Putin invades Moldova, or Georgia next? and carries on?
     
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    Yes, it does impede their sovereignty, I agree with that, and I would say that is the norm of the world. Other countries restricting other's sovereignty for their own gain.

    However, I don't think we can call Putin a "Nazi" or a "Genocidal Maniac" or a "Slaughterer" or "Evil" for his attack on Ukraine. He's not Attila the Hun ransacking Europe just for spoils and the fun of it. He is the leader of Russia attempting to secure his borders against an encroaching opponent. It's not as if he just decided out of the blue to attack Ukraine.

    Whether I'm for, or against Ukraine, it's not as simple as the Western Media is painting it as "Putin evil" and "Ukraine Good". I see the conflict as 2 countries with opposing objectives trying to gain an upper hand, which is why we should be Neutral. I don't think Putin is rebuilding the USSR and I don't think he's Hitler preparing to genocide Ukrainians. I could be wrong, but I don't think that is his goal.
     
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    IMO, the line is drawn and held at NATO boundaries.
     
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    Putin has always wanted to restore Russia to it's "glory" days. What makes you think he will just stop with Ukraine? He is just another Hitler from a different country.
    If you are not willing to defend freedom then what are you willing to defend?
     
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    If the USA directly get involved, can get to WW III!
     
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    possibly, though they can take out Val!
     
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    he won't stop at Ukraine, especially when he sees that the West are doing nothing much
     
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    I think it’s going to take a ton of resources to actually hold Ukraine if they take it. I think it might slow down his other plans for conquest at least for a little while.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    God willing
     
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