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Excuse me? I just quoted Scripture directly.

 

So did I. Both readings are not true. One is the word of God, the other is not. I go with f35, P66 and the common reading of the Greek texts. "being ended" γενομενου

 

Which creates a conflict for you.

13:2. Two textual variants control discussion of this verse: (a) the manuscript evidence for the present participle ginomenou and for the aorist participle genomenou is very evenly divided. The former is often taken to mean that the meal was ‘in progress’ (hence ‘during supper’, RSV), but might mean that it ‘was being served’ (NIV); the latter is often taken to mean that supper was over (‘supper being ended’, AV), but could be interpreted to mean that supper had just been served. Verses 4 and 26 make it impossible to believe that supper was over, and for that reason many prefer the present participle. Conversely, that makes the aorist participle the harder reading (especially if it is understood as in the AV), and for that reason intrinsically more likely to have been changed by a copyist. It is therefore attractive to suppose that the aorist is original, but that it should be understood to mean that supper had just been served (an instance of what has traditionally been called the ‘ingressive aorist’).

D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John, The Pillar New Testament Commentary (Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans, 1991), 469.

 

Not at all. The corrupt reading is "during." And only 0.5% of mss of John. And the correct reading 99.5% across all manuscript types. This oldest ms P66 supports the correct reading.

 

You still have to deal with the timeline issue. The text is not corrupt first of all, that's laughable and you lose any and all credibility. Second, even in your preferred text, they were clearly STILL having dinner.

 

The time line is a matter of interpertation. Jesus instituted the rememberance after the supper, Luke 22:19-20. Judas was at the table, verse 21. John notes supper being ended. John refers to it as the supper, in John 13:4 and in John 21:20 in John 13:23. Judas went out after Jesus gave him a piece of bread, John 13:26. Early tradition wants to make Jesus' footwashing the footwashing before institution of the remembrance. But that is simply not what happened. That wrong interpertation creates this "textual difficulty." According to one of the rules of textual criticism the supposed difficult reading "being ended" should be favored.

 

So that tradition is wrong because that automatically solves your problem? Noted. You have no credibility on this issue because you can't accept basic facts and solely base your victory on what you deem to be a corrupted text which is bogus.

 

The facts are what the word of God says. Jesus instituted the remembrance after the supper. Judas was at the table. Judas was sent out after the footwashing when Jesus gave him the dipped bread. Not rocket science. The manuscript evidence favors "being ended." The majority the scholars are wrong on this matter. Good thing it is not a matter of salvation.

 

What YOU say the Word of God says... Because you know, the Bible I read is corrupt.

 

No. The whole translation isn't. That reading is.

 

@Reformed1689,
We can rehash the points of disageement. Set each point of disagreement side by side.

 

Because it doesn't fit your theology?

 

What about the 3 times it would not start earlier in the day? God already pointed out not to drive the car that day, no?

 

The truth of Luke 22:20-21 fits my theology just fine.

 

It's like talking to a brick wall this one is.

 

Well?

 

Why rehash it? You are just going to say my translation is corrupt so what is the point?

 

Well, so do you believe no variant is corrupt? Does "during" and "being ended" mean the same thing? Are both ideas true. Or is one of them corrupt?

 

I've already dealt with the textual issue, you apparently ignored it.