timdabap
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A post I had made on Facebook which I share with you all. This does not contain all I want to say, but this will suffice for now.
Sometime ago, I asked if it was possible that Judas, the traitor, the son of perdition, could have been there when the Lord passed the cup and said, "...This is my blood of the New Covenant, shed for you" thereby essentially including Judas in the act of redemption.
I asked everybody I could think of turning to to ask. As they say, "ask a question of five Baptists, get five different answers", adding to the confusion I was feeling, especially since one of the Elders I asked, said, "it ''appears'' that he was indeed at the table when the Lord instituted the ordinance, but what seems apparent is the Lord washed Judas' feet, along with the eleven" (not verbatim).....I fell off the chair at that, and right through the floor.
A few preached to me, one said see John 13, none really helped clear up. In another forum, one said, 'you an ordained elder, and you don't know that ?'...lol...are ordained Elders supposed to know everything ?
Like, Jesus is God, and the Son of God, at that, but even He didn't know when His second advent (right term?) will happen.
All that having been said, I did my own research...and came up with the only conclusion I can come up with:
the writers of the gospel are men, like us, and though the bottom line is that what they wrote is God-breathed, and the Spirit is the One that gives them the recollection of what to write, the Spirit also gave them room as to their writing style.
One may mention ALL events, others only those that he figured to be important to them, and the readers, and still others may not write chronologically. But, no matter which, the CENTRAL character of their gospel is Jesus Christ.
So if anything we hear, or read, seems contrary to what is accepted, we fall back on TRUSTING the Lord for Who and What He says of Himself, from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
He does not do double-speak.
He is just, He abhors sin, He is holy, He has His purposes figured out and set, and will do everything He purposed for Himself and His people.
His blood is holy and divine, more precious than gold, and it was shed for His people, and ONLY THEM.
According to Him, Judas is the son of perdition, lost, and according to His declaration, of ALL that the Father has given Him, He has lost no one save the son of perdition.
Therefore, He did NOT include Judas in those for whom He symbolized His shed blood, the wine in the cup. (Judas had left) He could not because He is holy and His blood is the blood of God in the Person of the Son, the Word became flesh, not one drop of it will be shed needlessly, and to include Judas in the act of shedding the atoning redemptive blood and still lose the wretch after all is contrary to all that He has said of Himself, and He is not Truth, but He IS truth.
I would rather err on the side of reverence for the blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, because this is the same blood He shed on Calvary, and the same blood He washed my sins away with. And yours, and whoever else will say He included Judas but lost him, just the same.
Sometime ago, I asked if it was possible that Judas, the traitor, the son of perdition, could have been there when the Lord passed the cup and said, "...This is my blood of the New Covenant, shed for you" thereby essentially including Judas in the act of redemption.
I asked everybody I could think of turning to to ask. As they say, "ask a question of five Baptists, get five different answers", adding to the confusion I was feeling, especially since one of the Elders I asked, said, "it ''appears'' that he was indeed at the table when the Lord instituted the ordinance, but what seems apparent is the Lord washed Judas' feet, along with the eleven" (not verbatim).....I fell off the chair at that, and right through the floor.
A few preached to me, one said see John 13, none really helped clear up. In another forum, one said, 'you an ordained elder, and you don't know that ?'...lol...are ordained Elders supposed to know everything ?
Like, Jesus is God, and the Son of God, at that, but even He didn't know when His second advent (right term?) will happen.
All that having been said, I did my own research...and came up with the only conclusion I can come up with:
the writers of the gospel are men, like us, and though the bottom line is that what they wrote is God-breathed, and the Spirit is the One that gives them the recollection of what to write, the Spirit also gave them room as to their writing style.
One may mention ALL events, others only those that he figured to be important to them, and the readers, and still others may not write chronologically. But, no matter which, the CENTRAL character of their gospel is Jesus Christ.
So if anything we hear, or read, seems contrary to what is accepted, we fall back on TRUSTING the Lord for Who and What He says of Himself, from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
He does not do double-speak.
He is just, He abhors sin, He is holy, He has His purposes figured out and set, and will do everything He purposed for Himself and His people.
His blood is holy and divine, more precious than gold, and it was shed for His people, and ONLY THEM.
According to Him, Judas is the son of perdition, lost, and according to His declaration, of ALL that the Father has given Him, He has lost no one save the son of perdition.
Therefore, He did NOT include Judas in those for whom He symbolized His shed blood, the wine in the cup. (Judas had left) He could not because He is holy and His blood is the blood of God in the Person of the Son, the Word became flesh, not one drop of it will be shed needlessly, and to include Judas in the act of shedding the atoning redemptive blood and still lose the wretch after all is contrary to all that He has said of Himself, and He is not Truth, but He IS truth.
I would rather err on the side of reverence for the blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, because this is the same blood He shed on Calvary, and the same blood He washed my sins away with. And yours, and whoever else will say He included Judas but lost him, just the same.
