Featured Apart from the Law

Apart, most definitely. Within the law would be salvation by works.

 

How does this have something to do with Calvinism?

 

And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things.Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things?Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.He will judge everyone according to what they have done.He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers.But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness.There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
- Romans 2:2-9

But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. - Romans 3:21-31

Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death?For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was.We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin.And since we died with Christ, we know we will also live with him.We are sure of this because Christ was raised from the dead, and he will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him.When he died, he died once to break the power of sin. But now that he lives, he lives for the glory of God.So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.
- Romans 6:3-11

A person can follow the progression of Paul's argument. It is the substitutionary atonement of Jesus, in which we place our faith as our justification for why we shall not be punished.

 

I stand by scripture. I can see that you misinterpret Paul and ignore the fact that I walked you through Paul's train of thought.
We will not agree, but it won't be because I don't have scripture to support my position.

Just realize you are walking down a path that not even Jesus walked.

 

Well, first, Karen is always right, while Patrick is most often wrong. So thanks for the compliment.
Second, you seem to pick up some liberal theology books and then adopt them. Then you try to pawn those ideas off here at the BB while looking down on anyone not as enlightened as you.
Good job!

 

Our salvation is apart from the law in that we do not have to keep the law perfectly in order to be saved. God justifies the ungodly. But God saves us without sacrificing His righteousness or lifting the demands of the law (verse 26). On the contrary, the Law is established (verse 31) by the perfect life and atoning death of our Lord Jesus Christ. Penal Substitution.

 

"A righteousness 'apart' from the law" means apart from "the deeds, or works, of the law," as the case is stated in the rephrasing in vs 28.

In other words, the works of the law, the washings, the fastings, the offerings the tithe paying, cannot, nor ever could they, truly impute the righteousness of which they testify. Righteousness was always imputed by faith.

It does NOT mean that there is a higher or different righteousness. There is no righteousness that has other gods, does not enter into rest, disobeys parents, lies, steals, kills, covets, etc.

Neither does it mean that God has a righteous and just response other than that testified to in the law to the transgressions thereof, which is really what you're trying to say to make your case that God does not demand that amends be made and the debts of sin be paid, which is what Jesus did for us when He was offered for sin.

 

Ooo. Do we get to use nicknames now, Jon(can't)C?

 

I need to deliver the Gospel from your sloppy caricature, if not truly diabolical spirit.

Christ is the law personified. God is no more righteous than the righteousness demanded of the law, which is the righteousness God demands of any that approach Him. And that is the righteousness that is imputed to us. He was accepted for us in the Burnt Offering.

Leviticus 1:4-9 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. ... and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.

Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.​

No, JonC perverts the nature and purpose of the law. JonC misinterprets redemption. JonC misinterprets Atonement.

JonC misses the Cross.

The reason? Jon doesn't know the law. Jon(can't)C.

 

Aaron, I take full responsibility. I posted a a Donnell & Connell video where they ask St Patrick to define the Trinity. D&C call everyone who gets things wrong...Patrick. I called Jon Patrick. He's responded with Karen. I'm good. I like Karen. She's never wrong.

 

If I were the only one who has observed your behavior, we could be at an impasse, but your condescension has been observed by many people. Simply understand you hold a view very few follow and the reason is because your view is wrong.

 

Oh, I wasn't retaliating or taking up for you. Just saw a door open and walked through.

 

Are there that many Jehovah's Witnesses out there? They claim to "stick with what is written" as well. Good luck with that.