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why would God (2)

timdabap

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I was looking for that post I made on why God would require men to repent when He knows fully well they can't but couldn't find it. Very senior moments.
I couldn't recall exactly all the answers given but the bottom line seems to be "because He wants to" (not that verbatim but the reasoning runs along that line.
I was looking for a particular answer but I don't remember anyone giving it, and if somebody did I do not mean to misquote or play you down. Just my diabetic brain malfunctioning (as usual).
Well, the answer I was looking for goes this way: The command to repent was directed not to all men but to the men whom He regenerated already at a given moment, because He has given them the ability to repent, which the unregenerate, dead in sins and trespasses, do not possess.
Well, that's it.
Make what you will of it, but that is, to my heart and mind, the right answer.
Cheers, all.
 

Reformed1689

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I was looking for that post I made on why God would require men to repent when He knows fully well they can't but couldn't find it. Very senior moments.
I couldn't recall exactly all the answers given but the bottom line seems to be "because He wants to" (not that verbatim but the reasoning runs along that line.
I was looking for a particular answer but I don't remember anyone giving it, and if somebody did I do not mean to misquote or play you down. Just my diabetic brain malfunctioning (as usual).
Well, the answer I was looking for goes this way: The command to repent was directed not to all men but to the men whom He regenerated already at a given moment, because He has given them the ability to repent, which the unregenerate, dead in sins and trespasses, do not possess.
Well, that's it.
Make what you will of it, but that is, to my heart and mind, the right answer.
Cheers, all.
No, God requires all men to repent. Those that do not are without excuse. They are dead and condemned in their sin. But holiness/repentance is demanded of all without exception as the requirement of God.

Now, nobody can live up to this great standard. That is why those that are chosen have to have their righteousness founded in Christ. Through his sacrifice we can be made righteous because he took our place, paid our price, and intercedes on our behalf with the Father.
 

asterisktom

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I was looking for that post I made on why God would require men to repent when He knows fully well they can't but couldn't find it. Very senior moments.
I couldn't recall exactly all the answers given but the bottom line seems to be "because He wants to" (not that verbatim but the reasoning runs along that line.
I was looking for a particular answer but I don't remember anyone giving it, and if somebody did I do not mean to misquote or play you down. Just my diabetic brain malfunctioning (as usual).
Well, the answer I was looking for goes this way: The command to repent was directed not to all men but to the men whom He regenerated already at a given moment, because He has given them the ability to repent, which the unregenerate, dead in sins and trespasses, do not possess.
Well, that's it.
Make what you will of it, but that is, to my heart and mind, the right answer.
Cheers, all.

What, then, do we do with the words of Paul at Mars Hill?

"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent," Acts 17:30
 

SavedByGrace

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I have said this many times here on BB, and elsewhere, that the Reformed/Calvinists do NOT know, nor understand what they themselves believe and teach! This is because their "gospel" is a FRAUD!

We have right here the "Reformed" response, that God does require all men everywhere to repent, and that it is their failure not to do so! such is the madness of their "theology"!

In the first place, for God to SINCERELY require the entire human race to "REPENT" of their sins, He must have already made provision for their sins in the Death of Jesus Christ. If not, then this "Command" to repent by God is a SHAM!

Secondly, the theology of the Reformed/Calvinists, teaches, that like "faith", "repentance" is a GIFT that is given by God, ONLY to those who are ELECT, so that they can then REPENT and BELIEVE. So, HOW can God expect the NON-ELECT to REPENT, if He has not GIVEN this GIFT to these in the first place???

the Reformed/Calvinists theology is TOTALLY UNBIBLICAL on the salvation of sinners, and must be condemned as HERESY!
 

Van

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So once again we have a thread claiming God did not command what scripture says God commanded. On and on folks, one falsehood after another from the same group of Bible rewriters.

So if God commands all people to repent, then He must allow people to repent, rather than deny the ability to repent from all people. Makes sense. But if true, then Calvinism is a load of rubbish. Calvinists believe God would command people to flap their arms and fly, then punish them for not flying. Makes no sense...
 

Reformed1689

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I have said this many times here on BB, and elsewhere, that the Reformed/Calvinists do NOT know, nor understand what they themselves believe and teach! This is because their "gospel" is a FRAUD!
First of all, just because YOU don't understand what we believe and teach does not mean that we do not, let's get that clear!

In the first place, for God to SINCERELY require the entire human race to "REPENT" of their sins, He must have already made provision for their sins in the Death of Jesus Christ
Why?

Secondly, the theology of the Reformed/Calvinists, teaches, that like "faith", "repentance" is a GIFT that is given by God, ONLY to those who are ELECT, so that they can then REPENT and BELIEVE. So, HOW can God expect the NON-ELECT to REPENT, if He has not GIVEN this GIFT to these in the first place???
There is a difference between expecting someone to repent and demanding that they do.
 

Reformed1689

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So once again we have a thread claiming God did not command what scripture says God commanded. On and on folks, one falsehood after another from the same group of Bible rewriters.

So if God commands all people to repent, then He must allow people to repent, rather than deny the ability to repent from all people. Makes sense. But if true, then Calvinism is a load of rubbish. Calvinists believe God would command people to flap their arms and fly, then punish them for not flying. Makes no sense...
Another idiotic post. Who said God would not ALLOW them to repent? If they WANTED to, they could. But nobody wants to.
 

SavedByGrace

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As I have said, the "reformed" just don't understand what the Bibe says, and what they believe, Acts 17:30 is very clear

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now COMMANDS all men every where (the entire human race) to repent

They don't even understand the English language, that to COMMAND, is NOT the same as EXPECTING!

They keep on digging themselves into a deep pit, with their UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE!
 

Van

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Another idiotic post. Who said God would not ALLOW them to repent? If they WANTED to, they could. But nobody wants to.
Yet another straight up denial of Calvinism by a Calvinist to hide the fiction of Calvinism.

"Repentance is a gift from God. We express contrition for our sins and their offense to our holy Creator, but the Holy Spirit must give us the ability to do this."​

The quote above is the actual doctrine of Calvinism. Pay no attention to the rewriters of scripture...
 

Reformed1689

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As I have said, the "reformed" just don't understand what the Bibe says, and what they believe, Acts 17:30 is very clear

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now COMMANDS all men every where (the entire human race) to repent

They don't even understand the English language, that to COMMAND, is NOT the same as EXPECTING!

They keep on digging themselves into a deep pit, with their UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE!

I know language is hard for you. Let me help you out...

ex•pect \ik-ˈspekt\ verb
[Latin exspectare to look forward to, from ex- + spectare to look at, frequentative of specere to look—more at SPY] verb intransitive 1560
1 archaic: WAIT, STAY
2: to look forward
3: to be pregnant: await the birth of one’s child—used in progressive tenses 〈she’s expecting next month〉 verb transitive
1 archaic: AWAIT
2: to anticipate or look forward to the coming or occurrence of 〈we expect them any minute now〉 〈expected a telephone call〉
3: SUPPOSE, THINK
4 a: to consider probable or certain 〈expect to be forgiven〉 〈expect that things will improve〉
b: to consider reasonable, due, or necessary 〈expected hard work from the students〉
c: to consider bound in duty or obligated 〈they expect you to pay your bills〉—ex•pect•able \-ˈspek-tə-bəl\ adjective—ex•pect•ably \-blē\ adverb—ex•pect•ed•ly adverb—ex•pect•ed•ness noun
synonym EXPECT, HOPE, LOOK mean to await some occurrence or outcome. EXPECT implies a high degree of certainty and usually involves the idea of preparing or envisioning 〈expects to be finished by Tuesday〉. HOPE implies little certainty but suggests confidence or assurance in the possibility that what one desires or longs for will happen 〈hopes to find a job soon〉. LOOK, with to, implies assurance that expectations will be fulfilled 〈looks to a tidy profit from the sale〉; with for it implies less assurance and suggests an attitude of expectancy and watchfulness 〈look for rain when the wind shifts to the northeast〉.
ex•pec•tance \ik-ˈspek-tən(t)s\ noun
Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).

1com•mand \kə-ˈmand\ verb
[Middle English comanden, from Anglo-French cumander, from Vulgar Latin *commandare, alteration of Latin commendare to commit to one’s charge—more at COMMEND] verb transitive 14th century
1: to direct authoritatively: ORDER
2: to exercise a dominating influence over: have command of: as
a: to have at one’s immediate disposal 〈commands many resources〉
b: to demand or receive as one’s due 〈commands a high fee〉
c: to overlook or dominate from or as if from a strategic position 〈a hill that commands the city〉
d: to have military command of as senior officer 〈command a regiment〉
3 obsolete: to order or request to be given verb intransitive
1: to have or exercise direct authority: GOVERN
2: to give orders
3: to be commander
4: to dominate as if from an elevated place—com•mand•able \-ˈman-də-bəl\ adjective
synonym COMMAND, ORDER, BID, ENJOIN, DIRECT, INSTRUCT, CHARGE mean to issue orders. COMMAND and ORDER imply authority and usually some degree of formality and impersonality. COMMAND stresses official exercise of authority 〈a general commanding troops〉. ORDER may suggest peremptory or arbitrary exercise 〈ordered his employees about like slaves〉. BID suggests giving orders peremptorily (as to children or servants) 〈she bade him be seated〉. ENJOIN implies giving an order or direction authoritatively and urgently and often with admonition or solicitude 〈a sign enjoining patrons to be quiet〉. DIRECT and INSTRUCT both connote expectation of obedience and usually concern specific points of procedure or method, INSTRUCT sometimes implying greater explicitness or formality 〈directed her assistant to hold all calls〉 〈the judge instructed the jury to ignore the remark〉. CHARGE adds to ENJOIN an implication of imposing as a duty or responsibility 〈charged by the President with a secret mission〉.
2command noun
15th century
1 a: an order given
b: a signal that actuates a device (as a control mechanism in a spacecraft or one step in a computer) also: the activation of a device by means of such a signal
2 a: the ability to control: MASTERY
b: the authority or right to command 〈the officer in command〉
c (1): the power to dominate
(2): scope of vision
d: facility in use 〈a good command of French〉
e: CONTROL 1d 〈a pitcher with good command of his curveball〉
3: the act of commanding
4: the personnel, area, or organization under a commander specifically: a unit of the U.S. Air Force higher than an air force
5: a position of highest usually military authority synonym see POWER
Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
 

Reformed1689

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Yet another straight up denial of Calvinism by a Calvinist to hide the fiction of Calvinism.

"Repentance is a gift from God. We express contrition for our sins and their offense to our holy Creator, but the Holy Spirit must give us the ability to do this."​

The quote above is the actual doctrine of Calvinism. Pay no attention to the rewriters of scripture...
And another idiotic posts that quotes something he doesn't even understand... Go figure. That didn't go against what I said Van, just FYI.
 

SavedByGrace

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More RUBBISH being posted on here!

God is said to ALLOW the entire human race to repent! HOW can God ALLOW something that He KNOWS they are no CAPABLE of doing in the first place? Maybe God does not really KNOW all things, and COMMANDS repentance from those who He has already made sure that they CANNOT! God has made it IMPOSSIBLE for the NON ELECT to be able to repent, because He has WITHHELD the GIFT to repent from them!

To say that God ALLOWS the entire human race to repent, is to make God INSINCERE and making DEMANDS He knows that are IMPOSSIBLE!!!
 

Reformed1689

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More RUBBISH being posted on here!

God is said to ALLOW the entire human race to repent! HOW can God ALLOW something that He KNOWS they are no CAPABLE of doing in the first place? Maybe God does not really KNOW all things, and COMMANDS repentance from those who He has already made sure that they CANNOT! God has made it IMPOSSIBLE for the NON ELECT to be able to repent, because He has WITHHELD the GIFT to repent from them!

To say that God ALLOWS the entire human race to repent, is to make God INSINCERE and making DEMANDS He knows that are IMPOSSIBLE!!!
God has made it impossible? Hmmm you might want to check the Reformed position on that one. Nobody here claimed that to my knowledge. Strawman argument. You clearly don't know Calvinism.
 

Van

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And another idiotic posts that quotes something he doesn't even understand... Go figure. That didn't go against what I said Van, just FYI.
Notice the 3 John behavior folks, name calling, claims of superior knowledge, his opponent does not understand.

On and on folks, Calvinism claims the lost have "Total Spiritual Inability" the "T" of the TULIP and therefore lack the ability to repent. But, how do they defend their fiction? Why they say their opponents "do not understand." Pathetic
 

SavedByGrace

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God EXPECTS from the NON-ELECT, what He Himself has made IMPOSSIBLE! This makes God to be FALSE in His Commands!

I REPEAT, IF FAITH and REPENTANCE are GIFTS only for the ELECT, given by God in the first place; and He has NOT given these GIFTS to the NON-ELECT, they He must confused to EXPECT from people something He should already KNOW, they are INCAPABLE to EVER DO!

Stop posting IDIOTIC replies thatr are AGAINST God and His Word!
 

Reformed1689

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Notice the 3 John behavior folks, name calling, claims of superior knowledge, his opponent does not understand.

On and on folks, Calvinism claims the lost have "Total Spiritual Inability" the "T" of the TULIP and therefore lack the ability to repent. But, how do they defend their fiction? Why they say their opponents "do not understand." Pathetic
Um, where was the name calling in that post?
 
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