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[Reformed1689]

Does this show justice? NO.

How is it an injustice? And justice based on what? What would just be and according to whom? Here is the problem, as has been pointed out to you before, you seem to operate under the assumption that every person deserves to be saved. Where is that in Scripture?

 

[Silverhair]

Except you don't use our words. You spin, twist and change them.

That is what you would like it to be but sorry it is not. Step back and take a clear eyed look at the logical outcome of TULIP for one thing. Start there and be honest with yourself. I don't think you will do that, you will just keep saying I do not understand calvinism but at least try.

 

[Silverhair]

How is it an injustice? And justice based on what? What would just be and according to whom? Here is the problem, as has been pointed out to you before, you seem to operate under the assumption that every person deserves to be saved. Where is that in Scripture?

No I do not operate under that assumption. Not everybody deserves to be saved but everybody deserves the same chance to be saved. Big difference. Do you not find it odd that calvinism does not agree with God. God desires that all come to repentance but calvinism says no He does not. Look at the TULIP and see what is shows. Calvinism is wrong.

 

[Reformed1689]

That is what you would like it to be but sorry it is not. Step back and take a clear eyed look at the logical outcome of TULIP for one thing. Start there and be honest with yourself. I don't think you will do that, you will just keep saying I do not understand calvinism but at least try.

I've done this. I was not always Calvinist. I was compelled by Scripture though.

 

[Reformed1689]

Not everybody deserves to be saved but everybody deserves the same chance to be saved.

Why?

 

[Reformed1689]

Do you not find it odd that calvinism does not agree with God. God desires that all come to repentance but calvinism says no He does not.

Calvinism doesn't say he doesn't say that, GOD says he doesn't say that. You are basing that on one verse that you take out of context.

 

[Silverhair]

Why?

God is JUST or did you miss that in the bible. Calvinism wants to make God into an unjust despot but that is not the biblical view of Him.

 

[Silverhair]

I've done this. I was not always Calvinist. I was compelled by Scripture though.

Then you must have just overlooked the errors of calvinism. If you can accept the TULIP as biblical then I have to question your understanding of who God is and what the bible says about Him.

 

[Reformed1689]

God is JUST or did you miss that in the bible. Calvinism wants to make God into an unjust despot but that is not the biblical view of Him.

We do not make Him unjust. JUSTICE means all go to Hell. But he also exercises his mercy and saves some. This is an extreme act of love and mercy that he saves anyone at all. Something he is not obligated to do by any stretch of the imagination. So no, it is not unjust that not everyone gets the same chance. You are going at this with a humanistic world view.

 

[Reformed1689]

Then you must have just overlooked the errors of calvinism. If you can accept the TULIP as biblical then I have to question your understanding of who God is and what the bible says about Him.

Right, because it couldn't possibly be YOU that doesn't understand God and what the Bible says about Him....

 

[Silverhair]

Calvinism doesn't say he doesn't say that, GOD says he doesn't say that. You are basing that on one verse that you take out of context.

And you say that is wrong when it is clear text. What about that text do you not believe?
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Reformed1689]

And you say that is wrong when it is clear text. What about that text do you not believe?
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Nothing

 

[Silverhair]

We do not make Him unjust. JUSTICE means all go to Hell. But he also exercises his mercy and saves some. This is an extreme act of love and mercy that he saves anyone at all. Something he is not obligated to do by any stretch of the imagination. So no, it is not unjust that not everyone gets the same chance. You are going at this with a humanistic world view.

Is God show mercy when He saves, YES but that is not the point is it. How is it not unjust that billions are condemned for not trusting in God when God has made it that they can not trust in God? You are working very hard to defend calvinism but see no problem with throwing the character of God under the bus.

 

[Silverhair]

Right, because it couldn't possibly be YOU that doesn't understand God and what the Bible says about Him....

I just post what the bible says and you seem to have a real problem with that.

 

[Reformed1689]

Is God show mercy when He saves, YES but that is not the point is it.

It is EXACTLY the point.

How is it not unjust that billions are condemned for not trusting in God when God has made it that they can not trust in God?

First of all, you are the one making a claim of it being unjust, burden of proof is on you. Second, God did not make it so they could not trust, their bondage to their sin does.

 

[Reformed1689]

I just post what the bible says and you seem to have a real problem with that.

LOL no you don't, you post your warped theology of what the Bible says. Your Humanistic Theology

 

[Silverhair]

Nothing

Well if you understand it why do you not accept it?

 

[Silverhair]

It is EXACTLY the point.

First of all, you are the one making a claim of it being unjust, burden of proof is on you. Second, God did not make it so they could not trust, their bondage to their sin does.

Actually the burden of proof is not on me. You have to show how God via your TULIP is just. Remember that the bible says God is Just and the Justifier of those that believe.

Do you forget the TULIP and the LBCF? Calvinists have very convenient memories.

 

[Silverhair]

LOL no you don't, you post your warped theology of what the Bible says. Your Humanistic Theology

Now you call the bible humanistic just because it does not agree with your calvinism. That's rich.

 

[Reformed1689]

Actually the burden of proof is not on me. You have to show how God via your TULIP is just. Remember that the bible says God is Just and the Justifier of those that believe.

Do you forget the TULIP and the LBCF? Calvinists have very convenient memories.

Again, there is no injustice in my view of God. You are the one making that claim, burden of proof IS on your, or perhaps you don't know how debate works.