Choose ye this day whom ye will serve

[5 point Gillinist]

Well if you want to see the result of calvinism on man just read more of Austins posts. The way he answers just points out the arrogance that calvinism breeds.

Humble is not a word I would use to describe most of the calvinists on the net.

Truly a humble response. Say what you will about Calvinists, but it's usually those whose whole theological identity is based upon being Anti-Calvinist that are the least humble.

 

[Reformed1689]

You know what they say "pride comes before the fall" you should humble yourself before it is to late.

You should heed your own advice.

 

[Reformed1689]

So you use different words but how are they any different from TULIP?

So if you think I can not articulate what calvinist believe, then enlighten me. Now is your best chance to clearly put your views out for all to see.

We will have to continue this latter as it is late here and I have to get some sleep. TaTa

We have done this with you already but you just twist our words into something we did not say so why should I waste my time?

 

[Reformed1689]

Well if you want to see the result of calvinism on man just read more of Austins posts. The way he answers just points out the arrogance that calvinism breeds.

Humble is not a word I would use to describe most of the calvinists on the net.

Personal attack because you can't respond to substance? Let me ask you a question, do you believe God is supreme?

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Personal attack because you can't respond to substance? Let me ask you a question, do you believe God is supreme?

Yes, attacking calvinists is the definition of humility.

Yet another off topic effort to belittle others by the use of fallacious argumentation.

To quote someone who frequently does the same thing he accuses others of...

 

[Silverhair]

Truly a humble response. Say what you will about Calvinists, but it's usually those whose whole theological identity is based upon being Anti-Calvinist that are the least humble.

My disagreeing with what you say by pointing the error in your thinking is what I am supposed to do as a Christian. If you think that is my not being humble then I would have to say that calvinists are the least humble group on here. Point out any error that a calvinist makes on here and they swoop in with the pejoratives.

 

[Silverhair]

You should heed your own advice.

I agree we all should but I note you still do not get it do you. Your responding, it seems, from a hurt pride.

 

[AustinC]

As I said just about any post the you have done where I used your own quotes to point out your error. Since you say you know exactly what you write it should be easy for you to find them.

And there it is. You have been caught in your falsehood and now you attempt to wiggle out. It is clear you have never even attempted to address scripture. You bring up your strawman, calvinism, whenever you are confronted with the Bible and it proves your personal doctrine to be wrong.

 

[Silverhair]

We have done this with you already but you just twist our words into something we did not say so why should I waste my time?

I make a sincere offer and you reject it. Your the ones that keep saying we do not understand calvinism yet you do not take the opportunity to set me straight.

I did not say I would agree with all you said and that may be what is holding you back. Well I will just have to keep pointing out your errors and you will just have to keep telling me I do not understand the calvinist quotes that I use.

 

[Silverhair]

Personal attack because you can't respond to substance? Let me ask you a question, do you believe God is supreme?

"Let me ask you a question, do you believe God is supreme?" After all the posts that I have made on here you know that is a really dumb question. Yes I do.

Let me ask you a question, do you believe God is supreme? If you answer Yes then my next question is "Why do you limit what God can do?"

 

[Silverhair]

Yes, attacking calvinists is the definition of humility.



To quote someone who frequently does the same thing he accuses others of...

When we point out the errors of your theology that is not an attack. That is just being a Christian.

 

[Silverhair]

And there it is. You have been caught in your falsehood and now you attempt to wiggle out. It is clear you have never even attempted to address scripture. You bring up your strawman, calvinism, whenever you are confronted with the Bible and it proves your personal doctrine to be wrong.

If you think I have not dealt with your posts that is your right. If you do not like what I said then that is your right to do so. If you are looking for someone to support what you say then look to your fellow calvinists but do not expect it from me. If what you say is in error I will point it out to you as any good Christian should do.

 

[AustinC]

Well I find your answer interesting. Since I use the bible and have not based my theology on a man made theory it would seem that you are the one that is being false in your teaching. Agree I am not the bible, as I have said a number of times I just use the bible. What you call my interpretation of the bible is just me posting quotes from the bible. I do not really have to add much as the bible will defend itself. So if you do not agree with what I have posted then your disagreement is with the bible not me. You seem to be the one that is adding your own comments to explain the text.

Do you think that if the bible does not agree with your theology then it is in error? Seems your stepping into dangerous ground. I will say that you do seem to have a very high opinion of yourself Austin.

You know what they say "pride comes before the fall" you should humble yourself before it is to late.

You do base your free will ideas on your own man-made theory. Like other false teachers, you have select sentences from the Bible that you quote as your prooftext for your man-made theory. This thread is proof of this. You picked Joshua 29 and the phrase, "choose you this day whom you will serve" as your prooftext for your man-made free will doctrine. Others, including myself, have shown you that your prooftext, in context, does not teach free will at all.

As soon as you were shown your doctrinal error in the text, you threw out the Bible and immediately attacked the strawman in your mind...calvinist.

Own your personal Silverhairian theology, created by you and supported only by you. You are responsible for your own theology as am I for my theology. We both read the Bible, but you look for humans being in control in the Bible while I look for God being in control in the Bible.

 

[AustinC]

If you think I have not dealt with your posts that is your right. If you do not like what I said then that is your right to do so. If you are looking for someone to support what you say then look to your fellow calvinists but do not expect it from me. If what you say is in error I will point it out to you as any good Christian should do.

It's not a matter of what I think. It is a matter of you showing us where you actually address the Bible passage that I share. It is clear you cannot do so.

 

[Van]

Because I have already told you AGREE that God commanded all to repent. So quit claiming that I didn't. That's called dishonesty.

As I said, one false charge after another. Calvinism, not any particular Calvinist posting on the BB, denies God commanded all to repent, claiming instead repentance is a gift of God. They falsely claim, because of Total Spiritual Inability, the lost are unable to repent.

 

[Silverhair]

You do base your free will ideas on your own man-made theory. Like other false teachers, you have select sentences from the Bible that you quote as your prooftext for your man-made theory. This thread is proof of this. You picked Joshua 29 and the phrase, "choose you this day whom you will serve" as your prooftext for your man-made free will doctrine. Others, including myself, have shown you that your prooftext, in context, does not teach free will at all.

As soon as you were shown your doctrinal error in the text, you threw out the Bible and immediately attacked the strawman in your mind...calvinist.

Own your personal Silverhairian theology, created by you and supported only by you. You are responsible for your own theology as am I for my theology. We both read the Bible, but you look for humans being in control in the Bible while I look for God being in control in the Bible.

Choose: Pick out (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives. from the Oxford Dictionary

If that is not free will then what is it. I understand that under your calvinist theology choose really does not mean make a real choice but in the real world it does.

This is where we have such disagreements Austin, clear text is twisted by you and then you claim that the other person is doing it.

Let's try this once again
A] Choose God, or
B] choose the gods which your fathers served, or
C] the gods of the Amorites

Note three choices there. Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve. That is not "Silverhairian theology" as you put it, that is biblical. That is free will. But since it does not fit your calvinist theology you have to reject what the bible says.

 

[Silverhair]

As I said, one false charge after another. Calvinism, not any particular Calvinist posting on the BB, denies God commanded all to repent, claiming instead repentance is a gift of God. They falsely claim, because of Total Spiritual Inability, the lost are unable to repent.

You use the term "Total Spiritual Inability" but that is not what the bible shows is it. That is just something that comes from your calvinist philosophy.

 

[Van]

Yes, attacking calvinists is the definition of humility.
To quote someone who frequently does the same thing he accuses others of...

Always the same rule violation, attack the poster and ignore the position.

Calvinism claims (see the opening post) God did not command all people, but only the elect to repent. The Bible says God commanded all people everywhere to repent.

Thus Calvinism is false unbiblical nonsense. Watch for more "change the subject" posts.

 

[AustinC]

Choose: Pick out (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives. from the Oxford Dictionary

If that is not free will then what is it. I understand that under your calvinist theology choose really does not mean make a real choice but in the real world it does.

This is where we have such disagreements Austin, clear text is twisted by you and then you claim that the other person is doing it.

Let's try this once again
A] Choose God, or
B] choose the gods which your fathers served, or
C] the gods of the Amorites

Note three choices there. Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve. That is not "Silverhairian theology" as you put it, that is biblical. That is free will. But since it does not fit your calvinist theology you have to reject what the bible says.

Here is a perfect example of your man-made theology.

 

[Van]

You use the term "Total Spiritual Inability" but that is not what the bible shows is it. That is just something that comes from your calvinist philosophy.

Yes, the "T" of the TULIP (the Calvinist Philosophy) is not what the bible says about the lost's limited spiritual ability. They (the lost) can understand "Spiritual Milk" (1 Corinthians 3:1-3) but not "Spiritual Solid Food" (1 Corinthians 2:14).
BTW, I am only a 1 point Calvinist, I think the other four points (the TULI) of the TULIP are bogus false doctrines.