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I think the term would be "suffer". That is letting it happen against God’s will. Using "allow" indicates it is God’s will.

Of course, today "allow" is not as strict as when used in the Bible. Most would agree God "lets it happen". God does not prevent it, or it would be impossible. It was not God’s will for Adam to disobey. God let it happen, and did not stop the action. I think there is a difference.

 

Cal, I confess, I did not link to your website and read the article you mention. I often read from my phone and just don't have the time to read something long.
God allows many evil things to happen in this corrupted world. Thank God the Holy Spirit has not abandoned this world or things would be much, much worse.
Like all people in this world, Christians suffer from depression equally. This depression can hit people differently, much like alcoholism or some other addiction. It can be a lifelong battle against the temptation to end life and be in a better spot where this life's struggles end. (For the Christian suffering depression it can actually look like an opportunity to go to the Kingdom rather than live in exile.)
Many Pastors struggle with depression. This may be one of the biggest reasons for burnout and leaving. Perhaps the most famous pastor (at least to me) that suffered from depression was CH Spurgeon. Spurgeon struggled with a sense of failure and misery while going to God to receive perseverant grace. But, not all have defeated the temptation that depression brings, just as not all Christians have defeated their own temptations in other areas. The question, then, is whether God's grace is greater than our sin. The apostle Paul, in his argument for justification by faith alone provides that delicate answer. I suggest reading Romans 5, Romans 6, Romans 7, and Romans 8 to gain more understanding.

Peace

 

And in another place:

"The Lord will never allow, His Children to take their own lives, which is self-annihilation, because those who do take their lives, suicide, were never truly His Children, they were not born-again, they were never saved. They were deceived in thinking they were saved. No one who commits suicide is with the Lord in Heaven......"​

There is a difficulty when one takes from their own experience and makes a comparative to all others. One size does not always fit.

One of the wonderful songs often sung was written by a man who suffered. Two women in whom he had become betrothed both died from drowning. Yet, when his own mother was in terrible grief, he wrote a letter to her and included a poem to help her. On a side note, he was also found dead laying in a stream, but no autopsy was done to know if how he died. The poem, "What a friend we have in Jesus."

Another great poem was written by a man who was raised in a workhouse. He struggled with severe depression, anxiety, malaise, ... He tried to commit suicide three times and failed. A good friend and co-author with Newton, William Cowper, perhaps the greatest poet of his day, was the writer of "There is a Fountain."

However, what is more troubling concerning your view is that you actually attach suicide with salvation.

Only God knows the heart, and only God redeems.

Paul states that there is no condemnation to the believer, and further that nothing separates the one in Christ from God's love.

I have met with families that had a child had committed suicide. Dare you rob from them the assurance of their loved ones eternity?

Suicide is not the determiner of how or where one spends eternity.

Some have willingly given their life for others (suicide missions) on the fields of battle and conflicts.

Died giving organs that others might live.

If suicide were a determiner, then martyrs who have willingly given their life for Christ and even the Lord have become invalid.

For NO one took the Lord's life from Him, He had the power to lay it down and take it up.

Those who perished by spear and arrow in Ecuador, willingly giving their life for the cause of Christ, did not die in vain nor be shunned from Heaven.

Stephen, who would not deny the Lord even as stones rained upon him was honored by Christ.

I admit that this topic brings an emotional response from me. And I do not excuse such, for it is well founded.

There is another side to this that I haven't shared. Suicide is also used as the ultimate avoidance.

When a person is ensnared in sinfulness, that which society greatly objects, then to be discovered, to be "outed" can push a person to desperation.

Desperate people rarely consider rationally what is best and far less what is the best response to an overwhelming situation.

Would it be better to end my life then to see my loved ones suffer?

Would it be better to end my life then to see my Lord's name harmed?

Would it be better to end my life then to bring shame to the church?

These are all within the thinking of one desperate.

But, none of these pertain to the question of eternity.

That question resolves to one who believes or one who does not believe.

That is the point of this post.

 

Unless you have a verse clearly stating this, your claim is presumptuous and malicious. Who are you to proclaim as fact what can be known only to God? Have you opened and read the Book of Life?

 

I doubt you can prove that from Scripture, but you are free to have your own opinions.

 

The book of life is stilled sealed shut. The poster was referring to the Lamb's book of life. The one with 7 Seals. Only Jesus is worthy to open the Lamb's book of life. Only God can remove a name written therein. One cannot remove their own name. Perhaps you covered that in your article?

 

That federal law sure sounds like it may very well violate our first amendment of our Constitution.

 

Responding to the title of the thread:

"Does the Lord allow so-called Christians and Pastor's to commit suicide?"

Yes, He does.
There are many "so-called Christians" in the world today, and there is a vast difference, spiritually, between a "pastor" and one of the Lord's pastors / bishops / elders.
One is part of a religious system known as "Christianity" with its "denominations" and the other is a blood-bought child of the living God who is a member of the body of Christ.

One is a Christian in name only, the other has the Lord as his Deliverer in this life ( see the Psalms ).
One suffers from depression and commits suicide due to having no hope and no comfort, the other has the Spirit of God as Comforter, Deliverer and Teacher.

The former will abandon their hope because they never truly had any;
Neither have they been born from above.
The latter holds on to that which they've been given from above through faith, and because of being born again to a lively hope ( 1 Peter 1:3 ).

God's children wait on Him through all their trials and tribulations, and He delivers them out of them all:

" Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all." ( Psalms 34:19 ).