Perhaps.Would it not be better to have a translation based off the MT instead of trying to correct
the TR?
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Perhaps.Would it not be better to have a translation based off the MT instead of trying to correct
the TR?
Too bad that the HCSB did not stay as originally intended, as was at first to be based off the MT, but when the general editor died, they switched over to the CT!Perhaps.
A friend has pointed out to me that Westcott and Hort, in the "Notes on Select Readings" in their Vol. 2, have a refutation of over 20 pages of Burgon's book on the longer ending of Mark. I had forgotten about that, though I have read Burgon's and another book on the longer ending, which I'll review later.I had thought Edward Hills was a KJV/TR advocate, not a Byzantine.
I have never seen Burgon refuted by anyone. They have to either ignore him or say something not flattering about him. No opponents ever really addresses him. Probably because he was in the main right and correct.
He still seems to be Kjvo to me!A friend has pointed out to me that Westcott and Hort, in the "Notes on Select Readings" in their Vol. 2, have a refutation of over 20 pages of Burgon's book on the longer ending of Mark. I had forgotten about that, though I have read Burgon's and another book on the longer ending, which I'll review later.
My friend also points out that surely the very title of the other book by Hills makes him KJVO--The King James Version Defended. He has a point. You can find a pdf of this book here: https://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/pdfs/VPP/TheKingJamesVersionDefended.pdf
Do you have a citation by him to support that?He still seems to be Kjvo to me!
I used to have that book of his. It's probably his most well-known work. I have only about a half dozen of F.F. Bruce books now. The one that comes closest to TBATP is The Canon Of Scripture, though it's not about textual criticism as such.F. F. Bruce, The Books and the Parchments, 3rd ed. Westwood, NJ: Revell, 1963.
This is a classic. It is actually a general guide to the transmission of the OT and NT, so it fits in the apologetics realm. However, it has a good deal of information about textual criticism, also, especially in Chapter XIV, "The Text of the New Testament."
For anyone who is interested by doesn't know how to get started, it is probably the best book around. It discusses the languages, canon, OT text, NT text, translations such as the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, all the way up to the English Bible. A good read!
Helpful post. Thank you.I used to have that book of his. It's probably his most well-known work. I have only about a half dozen of F.F. Bruce books now. The one that comes closest to TBATP is The Canon Of Scripture, though it's not about textual criticism as such.
My main go-to book is The Early Text Of The New Testament edited by Charles E. Hill and Michael J. Kruger.
Next in order of importance is How We Got The New Testament : Text, Transmission, Translation by Stanley E. Porter, Craig Evans and Lee McDonald. Though it doesn't specify textual criticism in the title, it deals with the subject.
Fundamentals Of New Testament Textual Criticism by Stanley E. Porter and Andrew W. Pitts. It's a handy-dandy books of about 200 pages that's suitable for a layperson like myself.
Behind The Bible : A Primer On Textual Criticism by Jeffrey D. Johnson. It's a concise book of 111 pages --barely more than a booklet. But it packs a lot in those 100 plus pages. It's very readable and informative.
Well we are into books written in the late twentieth century.
Here’s an odd one from my collection.
The Living Text of the Gospels by D. C. Parker, University of Birmingham, Cambridge University Press. 1997. 224 pages
I enjoy the study of the Old Testament. Its textual history is ancient and mysterious. When teaching an extended passage or a whole book, discussions about different textual traditions are not often discussed, we simply use the text as it is before us. I’ve often wondered about how this approach might apply to the text of the New Testament.
David C. Parker begins to put flesh to this thought.
David Parker‘s book approaches New Testament textual criticism as “a living text”, the text as a results becomes more fluid/less rigidly structured and open to changes both in its transmission, its translation and its interpretation; tradition plays a prominent role.
Parker takes a non-conservative, perhaps Barthian position on inerrancy, broader than what most Baptists believe.
As such, you may not agree with his conclusions but his excellent step-by-step analysis of the theory, the materials and the practice of textual criticism makes this book worth reading, if for nothing else to simply to familiarize oneself with the application of the process. In the book Parker examines key passages to lead you to his final conclusion: the chapters include an examination of The Lord’s Prayer, sayings on marriage and divorce, the story of the woman taken in adultery, the endings of Mark’s Gospel, and others.
Parker begins his first chapter with an example showing how textual criticism is performed in our everyday life.
“Everyone who reads the newspaper is expert in textual
criticism, in coping with those distctive errors of omission and
displaced lines, and jumbling of letrset. This sophisticated process
of recognizing nonsense and picking up the sense is so natural to us
the classical scholars of ancient Alexandria or the Benedictines of
that we perform without thinking, unaware of our kinship with
St Maur. Textual criticism is not an arcane science. It belongs to all
human communication.
The matter will become a little more complicated when we apply our critical facilities to another language than our own, in a form spoken two millennia since.”p1
In his chapter on the endings of Mark, Parker mentions John Burgon.
“Along with the story of the woman take an adult in adultery, the ending of Mark is one of the more substantial blocks of material where scientific textual criticism has produced a markedly different text from the Received Text. This bulk is perhaps one reason why it has been such a center for debate on the issue. But there are two further reasons. One is historical. The conservative opposition to Westcott and Hort was most trenchantly, indeed unpleasantly, expressed by the Dean of Chichester, Burgon, who also supported the Authorised Version and the Received Text against the Revised Version and Westcott and Hort in The Revision Revised, collected all the evidence he could muster to support his case.” …
Needless to say, Parker is not a fan of Burgon; regarding an argument Burgon makes that Papias knew the long ending of Mark, he simply states, “There is no evidence here to support Burgon’s claim.” p.139.
Concerning the endings of Mark, he writes, “This passage beyond almost any other gives the lie to the idea that the variants of the manuscripts of the New Testament are insignificant and have no substantial effect on the text. The remainder of this chapter will therefore be devoted to considering the implications of the materials we have been studying.” p. 141.
Parker’s concludes “…this book has not been concerned with a process that is now ended. Scholars continue to discover fresh materials and to revise the text of the Gospels; translators provide fresh renderings, commentators new interpretations, and theologians new ideas. We have seen how much the printed text has changed since 1516, and have wondered what changes will be brought by the electronic text. Today’s influences on the text of the Gospels are not those of the early centuries, but they may prove equally powerful. The text of the Gospels remains a living text.” p. 213.
Rob
(index from 3rd edition - 1992)Bruce Manning Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, 2nd ed. New York: Oxford, 1968.
Bruce Manning Metzger and Bart D. Ehrman, The Text of the New Testament, 4th ed. New York: Oxford, 2005.
This is very informative, a true classic in the field. However, the reader must realize that Metzger is somewhat liberal. Yes, Daniel Wallace calls him a conservative evangelical (Inerrancy and the Text-Critical Problem in Romans 5:1 | Bible.org). But in the same essay, Wallace says that "his view of biblical authority is not quite the same as many other evangelicals." In other words, Wallace is gently saying that Metzger did not believe in biblical inerrancy.
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At any rate, this is a book that is truly necessary to understand textual criticism. It is well written and very informative.