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Echoing what God Himself has said is not the same thing as limiting God.

 

You completely avoided what Rev said. "Free will is having a choice between doing it or not. A choice between either or."
It is not a matter of why it is can they make real choices. You deny free will so you have made it so that God is the only one making thee choices thus you have made God the one that causes man to sin.

 

I don't think it is @canadyjd that did not read Rev, I think it is you that did not read @canadyjd

 

What I have said does not have any effect on the value of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. You just do not trust in the sovereignty of God unless it fits into your theology.
Psa 145:18 The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.
Psa 145:19 He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them.
Psa 145:20 The LORD preserves all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy.

Psa 145:19 sure sounds like
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

Yet you keep saying that God can not be sovereign enough to save those that do not hear the correct words. You seem to valve using the correct words more then the sovereignty of God.

 

But the verses you quote aren't the problem. I do not deny "Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." That's not the question.

The question is, who will call on the name of the Lord?

 

That is just evasion. You still have not dealt with the post. You really have no rational argument do you. You just stick your head in the sand and call what you can not deal with a strawman argument.

Then you must be comfortable with the contradiction. Your DoG and 1Ti 2:3-4 and Rom 10:13 can not both be true.

Your total response "Of course they can. And they are."

So show us how they can both be true.
How do you square DoG {Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace.} with, God who desires all to be saved and whoever calls on Him will be saved.

That is not a strawman question but it is one you will not answer.

 

You still deny that God is in fact sovereign. Not the sovereignty that you seem to think He has. But then you seem to be comfortable with a number of contradictions in your theology.

 

Well since you are a calvinist then you must hold to divine determinism which means that God has determined all things that happen, so if man has no free will and God has determined all things then God has determined the desires that man has.
So in the end it is God that makes man desire to sin and then He punishes them for doing what He has determined for them to do. As I said your theology has a lot of contradictions in it. But you do seem to be comfortable with them.

 

Those that the Holy Spirit convicts and come to realize that they are sinners and are in need of a savior. Just as I have pointed out to you a number of times
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

As canadyjd posted in another thread "Salvation is a supernatural work of God the Holy Spirit and communication is between the person and God."

 

in your theology, its the will of man sovereign in the ultimate sense, as God Himself bows in salvation to us based upon what we choose to do!

 

Read your bible, God saves those that believe. He set the condition for salvation so it is not man telling God what to do it is man meeting the condition God set. When you come to understand that then you will have a better understanding of scripture.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Notice the condition, the person has to confess and believe. They have to do this it is not done for them by someone else and that includes God.

 

Of course we disagree on the extent of the effect of sin and how death is defined in scripture. Scripture doesn't ever say that we are dead like Lazerus. Dead people can neither choose to accept nor reject God. Dead is a word that is used to describe the separation between man and God not the inability.

 

we are said to be spiritually dead in our sins and transgressions, correct?

 

we are said to be spiritually dead in our sins and transgressions, correct?

 

How, exactly, am I denying God's sovereignty? Good luck with that one.

 

Or..... I call a strawman argument a strawman argument. Why would I deal with something that is not my view?

 

Is that all you have?