Spiritual Truth and Doctrine

[Darrell C]

I already addressed the op. If the op intended to pit spiritual truth against bad doctrine it should have said so. But it didn't.

And I would add that the OP contrasts spiritual truth with simple doctrine explicitly.

Scripture, however, seems to indicate otherwise - that the truth of Scripture and the work of the Spirit leads us to spiritual knowledge which is something other than, deeper than, and even more important than simple biblical doctrine.

I do think it could have been worded a little better but I think there are some truths to what it seeks to convey.

Whether they are spiritual truths or not, well, we'll never know, because no one seems to be interested in threshing it out.




God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

And I would add that the OP contrasts spiritual truth with simple doctrine explicitly.






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Yes people are threatened by explicit doctrine. This who hate truth should be.

 

[Reformed1689]

Sorry, for me what we are told to do in Scripture is a command, not a suggestion. "Command" is my terminology in light of that view.

So I apologize. Now, can you answer the question?




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Explicit command? Nowhere. But the truth will necessarily insult some. What Scripture does not say is that we should not insult. There are examples, even of Jesus, hurling what you and I would consider an insult. So your question is pointless is what I am getting at. And @JonC assertion that we should not resort to insults from earlier in the thread is off base which is what you were squawking about in the first place.

 

[Darrell C]

What Scripture does not say is that we should not insult.

Thank you, Reformed.

Okay, as much as I hate to do it, I need to take my leave of this forum once again. I just enjoy it too much and it takes me away from what I should be doing.

See you guys next time around! May you grow in grace and knowledge of our Savior.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

And @JonC assertion that we should not resort to insults from earlier in the thread is off base which is what you were squawking about in the first place.

It would be insulting others that I would think would be viewed as off-base.

If you feel you should resort to insults then have at it.


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[Reformed1689]

It would be insulting others that I would think would be viewed as off-base.

If you feel you should resort to insults then have at it.


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Like I said, Jesus called people names too so....

 

[Reynolds]

And it never once tells us to insult others.

If so, I would like to see the Scripture on that.

We preach the Gospel, correct, exhort, and that is going to offend, but I need to see where I have been commanded by God and His Word to insult people.


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Insult is feelings on your end. Truth is truth. The Gospel is an offense to many. Scripture tells you that. If truth is perceived as an insult due to your feelings, that's your problem.

 

[Aaron]

I forbid it.


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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Try and stop me!

 

[Aaron]

I've never read anything by Darby, but since you bring it up, this is a good example of why appealing to men and their teachings is a snare.

But the first century teachings of Paul make it pretty clear. At least, when we don't spiritualize the Scripture, lol.

An appeal to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture being a new doctrine when it is found in the first-century writings of Paul is what I would call absurd.


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Welp. You just undid all your virtue signaling! Toss your Scofield bible in the trash. That's where it belongs.

 

[JesusFan]

So who decides what the Church has historically held, and where is the first place we see what it is the Church historically held?

You reject the idea that the Church historically held to a Pre-Tribulation Rapture based on the teachings of Paul. So who settles that dispute among believers?


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The Bible itself defines to us what those essential and core Christian doctrines are for us!

 

[JesusFan]

First, it depends on which baptism you are referring to.

Secondly, all baptisms spoken of related to the Church are necessary for a sound understanding of Baptism. One cannot understand the Baptism with the Holy Ghost if one doesn't understand baptism of identification and vice versa.

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is core Doctrine from Day One of the Church. Yet there are numerous views as to what it is and the majority of those who actually teach on the subject teach it as an empowering.

All that to say that even what might be considered "Non-Essential" impacts the overall theology one either embraces or teaches.


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water Baptism and Baptized in and by the Holy Spirit into Christ and His body 2 seperate things though!

 

[JonC]

Is there any one human bean that you know of that didn't?

We all probably do on some things.

 

[Silverhair]

That's not what the Apostle said. He said how much more will we be saved. If the death of Christ saves, how much more saved are we by the fact that he lives.

It's like Hebrews 10:28, 29. He that despised Moses' law is worthy of punishment. How much more punishment is he worthy of who despises the Gospel.

But if you were to comment on it as you do on Romans, you would say something like, breaking the law only kills us, but rejecting the Gospel damns us. We're damned either way, and rejecting the Gospel is still a transgression of the Law of Moses. But one makes that damnation more sure.

You are twisting the Romans passage to say things that fit your agenda in the denial of the central truth that Christ died in our place on the Cross.

So your saying that there is saved and extra saved. That sounds like a very strange theology you have there.

 

[Silverhair]

We are saved by the death of Jesus upon that Cross in our stead!

We are reconciled by His death we are saved by His life. That is the clear teaching of Rom 5:10, how can you not see that?
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were God's enemies,
we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,
how much more, having been reconciled,
shall we be saved through his life!

1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

If we are still in our sins then we are not saved.

 

[Salty]

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