KenH
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Sorry that I didn't understand your question.
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Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist
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Sorry that I didn't understand your question.
There is, but I can't think of a reference off hand. And ordain could mean decree.
In theology to decree that something happen is establishing that that thing necessarily occur while ordaining something refers to establishing that thing, occuring, should occur.
Think of ordaining a minister. That is not making the person a minister but establishing that person should minister.
Edit -. I recall Robert Picirilli pointing this out.
But ultimately, with the act of Creation, everything is decreed.
KenH
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I do too.Well, I use them interchangeably.
Most intelligent people know that the doctrine of “free will” is absolute nonsense. With regards to doctrines of Grace, I’m fully on board with one specific adjustment. I do not believe in perseverance (that’s an act of continuing works). I would substitute it to preservation.
Depends on how you define free-will. Most Calvinists argue against free-will using a definition most free-will theology adherents do not use.
Allow me to be clear, most of the time questions about beliefs never comes up when I’m meeting another person. I’m an Old School Baptist but I do not impose my beliefs on others. I’m just happy both my ML teams are in first place in their league’s …. Waited a looooong time for this!
Both our status as Children of God are secure so no problem!
KenH
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Allow me to be clear, most of the time questions about beliefs never comes up when I’m meeting another person. I’m an Old School Baptist but I do not impose my beliefs on others. I’m just happy both my ML teams are in first place in their league’s …. Waited a looooong time for this!
Who are you two teams?
KenH
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Preservation is the better term.
Yankees And Mets
Repent!!!!!!
Can you say, “Steve Cohen”… apparently money talks!
Yea. I actually like the Mets. They are not God's team (the Braves) but I always liked them even though I shouldn't.Can you say, “Steve Cohen”… apparently money talks!
The Yankees are another story.
I’m mostly a Mets fan but the Bronx is a different spin and now that George is gone I can go in Arthur Ave and get really Good Italian food like a sausage & pepper sandwich.Yea. I actually like the Mets. They are not God's team (the Braves) but I always liked them even though I shouldn't.
The Yankees are another story.
37818
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An interesting distinction.
Having an experience, reading from or hearing others, and thinking are all means of acquiring knowledge.
Well, of he really is a Hyper Calvinist, what he wrote is rather stupid. Those who call him Hyper, have no choice but to do so. Everything, even where every leaf falls and when it falls, was pre ordained and pre ordered. He is criticizing men for doing what he believes they must do???????
KenH
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"Another objection against the biblical doctrine of divine sovereignty is that it appears to contradict human responsibility. The assumption is that human responsibility presupposes human freedom. But if God exercises complete control over all human decisions and actions, then man is not free, and therefore divine sovereignty and human responsibility seem to contradict each other. And this is a problem because it is insisted that human responsibility must be maintained.
The first definition for "responsible" in Webster's New World College Dictionary says, "expected or obliged to account (for something, to someone); answerable; accountable." Now, without any regard as to whether man is free, he is certainly "expected or obliged to account" for his thoughts and actions to God. The Bible says, "For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil" (Ecclesiastes 12:14). God will reward the righteous and punish the wicked; therefore, human responsibility is established apart from any discussion on human freedom.
Man is responsible precisely because God is sovereign, because to be responsible means to be held accountable. It means that a person must explain and justify his thoughts and his actions, and that he will be rewarded or punished according to a certain standard of right and wrong. Moral responsibility has to do with whether God has decided to judge man and whether God has the power and authority to enforce his decision. It is entirely dependent on divine sovereignty and has nothing to do with human freedom. Man is responsible because God will reward obedience and punish rebellion, but this does not suggest that man is free to choose between obedience and rebellion.
Romans 8:7 says, "The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so." Man is responsible for his sins not because he is free or able not to abstain – this verse says that he cannot abstain from sin. Rather, man is responsible because God has decided to judge him for his sins. Therefore, human responsibility does not presuppose human freedom, but it presupposes divine sovereignty. Thus divine sovereignty indeed contradicts human freedom, but it alone establishes human responsibility."
- Vincent Cheung, Systematic Theology