Featured Good In Bad People?

I am saying the children of God do not yet have their redeemed bodies per Romans 8:23. Per the meaning and use of that term.

 

Only five times is that term used and then only by Paul. If you do not see those other references being related, because I see the term as I explained, I do not see believers as already adopted as you seem to. Ok?

 

But we ARE humans and we DO live within time. So while God is not bound by time, we most definitely are, and there are some in this current time that will be saved/adopted in the future but have not as of yet and if they were to die today they would go to hell because they have not yet been saved.

 

Where are you getting that? That’s pure Bullet in the Hole Calvinism. I have to take issue with whole theology

 

I have already addressed this with you. You have closed yourself off to the whole of scripture so that you can create a theology that is narrow and incomplete.
You are free to hold such a narrow view and miss the whole. This issue will not affect our position before our King, therefore it is of little import to me that you reject the fullness of God's adoption of yourself.

 

Absurd. Based on what?

 

On this issue you are correct in your statement. @Reformed1689 has a large inconsistency if he is truly Reformed.

 

I'm not inconsistent. I have already said, that in God's space, since he is present in future and in past as well as present, yes they are already adopted, in that sense alone, but they are not adopted already in their current reality without conversion and, if they were to die, they would be condemned. Granted, that is an impossibility they would not die before conversion.

 

We disagree on the Biblical view. I ask you to explain your view, and you believe you have made what you understand to be the Biblical view clear, if I understand you.

 

It is clear you want to take things out of context. I said IF they were to die. However, I do not believe that is a possibility. You are talking about a hypothetical. But no, they are not adopted BEFORE conversion. Chosen, yes, adopted, no. Paul makes that clear. If you say we are already adopted before conversion you must also say we are sanctified before conversion, justified before conversion, yet Scripture is clear before conversion we are under the wrath of God. So no, I do not agree with @AustinC on this and I definitely do not agree with your strawman arguments.

 

No, as I have already shown, that is, in fact, not what I was saying. I answered a hypothetical, I have already said it is not a real possibility.

 

You sure are a “out of the box thinker”

my infant died before ever hearing the gospel… so where is he?

 

I’m never wrong! These Calvinists on the other hand

 

Why would I say I am wrong? I've already told you my position, and, as usual, you spit back something I do not believe then tell me I need to own up to that as my belief.

 

I am not one that preaches infants automatically go to Heaven. I honestly don't know how to reconcile that. But I would never give false hope that a baby is in heaven since I do not know if that is true.

 

OK… explain conversion and while you are at it, explain regeneration!