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The Gospel in Six Minutes

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, Jun 4, 2022.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    You miss the point. Why believe about Jesus as the Christ unless He is to be really to be believed as one's Savior? If prior to believing there not being any knowable hope in believing in Him? Only if He died for all.
     
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    Acts 7:51, in the context of salvation, is clear that the Holy Spirit's conviction can be RESISTED. This is what the Bible teaches
     
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    Reprobates can do nothing other than resist God. They cannot respond positively to the command to believe the gospel as they are never regenerated in order to do so.
     
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    and yet Paul says this about these "Reprobates"

    "And what if God, desiring to display His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction?" Romans 9:22

    These "Reprobates", as you put it, are according to this verse, "ready for destruction", on their way to eternal punishment. And YET it also says, that God, "endured with much patience". for what purpose? Except that which Peter says in 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance". There you have the Truth!
     
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    Luke 8:13, ". . . They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. . . ."
     
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    This is one of those absurd questions that 'you people' ask.

    I reiterate my previous answer: Because it's GOOD NEWS to them, they believe it. Period.
     
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    What makes that question absurd.
     
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    The elect will believe. The reprobates will not.
     
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    endures them with much longsuffering; as he did the old world, before he destroyed it; and as he did Pharaoh, before he cut him off: God not only supports such persons in their beings, amidst all their impieties and iniquities, but follows and fills them with his providential goodness, insomuch that many of them have more than heart can wish; nay, to many he affords the outward means of grace, which they slight and despise; externally calls them, but they refuse, loving darkness rather than light, and therefore are inexcusable: now if after all this patience, indulgence, and forbearance, when he could in justice have sent them to hell long ago, he is "willing to show his wrath"; his displicency at sin and sinners, his vindictive justice, his righteous vengeance: and to make his power known; what it is he can do, by the utter destruction and damnation of such persons; what man in his senses can ever find fault with such a procedure, or charge it with tyranny, cruelty, and unmercifulness?

    - John Gill, Gill's Bible Commentary
     
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    Luke 8:13, ". . . They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. . . ."^
     
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    Such a horrible view of God(which I used to have also before God gave me eyes to see and ears to hear) that you believe that God, after punishing His Son for all of the sins of all of the people who will ever live(according to your view), will then punish some of those people for the same sins that He had already punished and propitiated before.
     
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    Everyone who initially indicates that they believe have not actually been regenerated. Their belief is not God-generated, but self-generated and of no eternal value.
     
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    Eight hour warning
    This thread will be closed no sooner then 7 pm EDT / 4 pm PDT
     
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    "how does one know Christ died for one prior to believing"

    Think about that.
     
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    Is John Gill your man for undersatanding the Bible?
     
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    If I want to look at a commentary, his is the one I usually go to first. I need to check into getting Robert Hawker's Bible commentary purchased on my Kindle.
     
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    John Gill is more of a "Calvinist" than John Calvin! you say that you are not Reformed, and yet seem to quote them?
     
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    Those who are yet sinners hear that Christ died for them. If that is not true, what reason should yet sinners believe that He did for them? Is there no Scripture? No gospel?
     
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    The elect will believe. The reprobates will not believe.
     
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