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    Here is an orthodox illustration of our Trinity's characteristics.

    If we add to the center word "God" with "the Spirit of Yahweh" have we advocated heresy?

    If we add to the lower description, The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, have we misrepresented the Third Person of the Trinity?
     
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    Is not the Spirit of the Father, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Truth all with reference to God's Spirit of Yahweh?
     
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    I am claiming One being, in 3 Persons!
     
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    Is Yahweh separate from his Spirit?
     
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    All those who believe in the orthodox view of the Trinity believe in One God (a Divine Being) in three persons. You seem to lack the courage or decency to integrity to say how many Divine Eternal Spirits are presented in scripture, one or more than one.
     
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    Why do you think it is ok for you to not answer questions, yet it is ok for you to expect others to answer yours?
     
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    I see that the Holy Spirit is Spirit essence, and Jesus called the father Spirit, but Jesus is a glorified physical formed God man Person
     
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    Are you equating "spirit" with "essence?"
     
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    Someone suggested that the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, was not a Person. Now a Person has a will, they make autonomous choices, they have intellect, they have knowledge, and they have emotion. In Acts 13:1-2 the Holy Spirit chooses to send Paul and Barnabas. In John 14:26 the Holy Spirit will teach the Disciples. And in Ephesians 4:29-30 we see that the Holy Spirit can become "grieved" or disheartened.

    But this thread's issue is not the Person-hood of the Third Person of the Trinity, that is a given, but whether the other Two Persons of the Trinity share the same eternal divine Spirit?

    I may have missed it but it seems no one has clearly said (1) Yes, (2) No, or (3) I do not know.
     
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    Your wording here makes it seem that there is a Spirit who existed as God, but then under God are 3 seperate beings!
     
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    Our Trinity? That diagram contradicts scripture.
    There is only one, as God said. He also said, besides him there is no savior. God is spirit, scripture. God is holy, scripture.

    The trinity doctrine entered the bible hundreds of years after Jesus who never taught about three separate persons in the godhead.
    Of course being Jesus was Emmanuel, God with us.
     
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    You are not advocating here then the heresy of either Modualism or Oneness , are you?
     
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    I'm advocating God's word that predated all denominations.
     
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    It sounds exactly like that to me

    the mods won’t do anything though

    they will prob call me out but that’s it’ll
     
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    You're wrong.

    I'm stunned how unaware of scripture some are.

    Excising what they don't approve, cobbling together what they do, and calling it faith in God's word. When it's actually the heresy of interpolation.

    Jesus wasn't a Baptist.
    He was a Jew.
    But here we are. Baptists.
     
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    Hopefully not advocating either of those 2 heresies!
     
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    One God eternally existing as 3 persons, correct?
     
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    I already answered that earlier
     
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    Wrong.
    I'm not Catholic.
    God is one, as he said. He also said, besides him there is no savior.
    Do I ignore God to adopt a pagan teaching the Council of Nicea invented in 325A.D?
    No heresies, right?

    I know you're trying to bait me so to report me.
    If I'm banned for holding to God's word, so be it. I'll have one over on those who don't.
     
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    It is my opinion that you are an infiltrator. There are no Baptists, including the Reformed Baptists, who are wrong about just about everything, that do not believe in the trinitarian nature of God. To say you do not believe in the trinity automatically eliminates you from the fellowship of Baptists.

    Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God and the only man who has ever lived on this earth who was a trinitarian man in time from his physical conception and in eternity he is everlasting and he is a trinity existing as one God as Father Son and Spirit, divisable, yet one. In time he has been born with body, soul, and Spirit, The body gave him physical presence, the soul in his body like unto our bodies, weak and frail, and the Spirit, who indwelt him as well and gave him power to live a sinless life. When Jesus died, all three parts of his earthly being were separated from one another. The Spirit leaving the body leaving Jesus spiritaully dead (my God, my God, why hath thou forsaken me) The soul departed the body, leaving the body dead and lifeless. The Spirit went back to God who gave it. The body went to the tomb, and the soul went to hell, however one wants to define hell in this context.

    In this condition the bible says Jesus was dead for three days. He could not have risen from the dead if he was not dead. When he rose from the dead his body was glorified and made fit to dwell in heavenly places something that was not possible before it was glorified. Who would argue that the body of Jesus was not Jesus? Who would argue that the soul of Jesus was not Jesus? Who would argue that the Spirit of Jesus was not Jesus? All three, even though separated, was Jesus. Three in one and one in three is a trinity, whether they function as one or separately.

    But what does rising from the dead mean? It means that all three members of the trinitarian Jesus were united at his resurrection. The soul came out of Hell into the body. The Spirit came from God into the body. The body was quickened and glorified by the presence of the soul and the Spirit of Christ and he was one and he walked out of the tomb.

    Jesus Christ went through all of that so we can be a trinity. We are born into the family of Adam and we have a body and a soul, but we do not have the Spirit of God. If we had the Spirit of God when we are born we would be in the family of God. But we are not. We must be born again by the Spirit to be a son of God. When we are born again we then have hope of glorification so that we might have a glorified body like unto his glorious body and can occupy heavenly places with our savior.

    So, let's look at Jesus Christ.

    1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    So, this does not just imply, but it states that Jesus Christ was not alive because the Spirit had to quicken him from the dead. Quicken means to make alive.

    Ac 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    There is the body and soul, so who is he speaking with? I remind those that the OT saints did not go to heaven but to hell (paradise) in the center of the earth. It takes a resurrected Jesus to deliver anyone from hell because his soul is there before it occurs. Remember he is dead. His body and soul and Spirit are all separated.

    Now he is risen from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven and can now send his omnipresent Spirit to indwell those who believe his gospel to save them. The Spirit cleanses with his blood and indwells the believing sinner, making him a trinity and in the image of God through Jesus Christ.

    Though Jesus Christ is the "only begotten" Son of God, he is not the only son of God. He is the "firstborn" son of God from the dead and there will be a multitude of other sons of God who will be born by receiving his Spirit. Consider these verses in this context.

    rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
    10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
    11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
    13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

    He says this:

    Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Here Jesus is the firstborn son of God. The image of Christ is trinitarian, soul, body, Spirit. In this chapter we are told the body is dead until the Spirit is in and then it is quickened and we who have the Spirit are children of God because of it.

    But, when did Jesus become the firstborn son of God so he can make us his brethren?

    Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    God called his resurrection by the power of the Spirit a birth. The first of it's kind, but certainly not the last.

    His is a verse that speaks of this birth.

    Ps 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    There is nowhere in scripture that one can go and not see the trinitarian nature of God and if we will ever see his face, we will see him in the trinitarian nature he has given us in Christ.

    To deny the trinity is to deny the revealed truth of God.
     
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