What is Acceptable Baptist and Unacceptable Baptism?

[Alan Gross]

What is Acceptable Baptist and Unacceptable Baptism? - Baptist Because

 

[Van]

Our Spiritual Baptism into Christ provides our salvation. Once reborn in union with Christ, we are indwelt and thus sealed within Christ by the Holy Spirit. Thus we are spiritually within Christ and Christ is spiritually within us. Thus Christ has immersed us inside and out with the Spirit.

Any other view is not acceptable.

 

[Alan Gross]

Our Spiritual Baptism into Christ provides our salvation. Once reborn in union with Christ, we are indwelt and thus sealed within Christ by the Holy Spirit. Thus we are spiritually within Christ and Christ is spiritually within us. Thus Christ has immersed us inside and out with the Spirit.

Any other view is not acceptable.

There is no such thing as, "Spiritual Baptism into Christ". The Holy Spirit never baptized anything.

Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

 

[Van]

There is no such thing as, "Spiritual Baptism into Christ". The Holy Spirit never baptized anything.

Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

And here we have a Calvinism claiming Jesus does not baptize with the Spirit.

 

[Silverhair]

There is no such thing as, "Spiritual Baptism into Christ". The Holy Spirit never baptized anything.

Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

Mat 3:11 ...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mar 1:8 ...but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Luk 3:16 ...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Joh 1:33 ... this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'
Act 1:5 ...but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."
Act 11:16 ...but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

It would seem that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John & Paul would disagree with you. The Holy Spirit baptizes every believer or do you think they got it wrong.

Do all sinners possess the will to come to the Son, NO as many will reject Him. Do sinners possess the power/ability to come to the Son, YES. I agree that God has to draw men to Himself and He does
1] via creation
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
This is why man can not say they did not know there is a God and can be held accountable.
2] via the Gospel
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Those that do hear the gospel message must make the choice either to accept or reject the object of the message. This we see clearly state by John.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

 

[Alan Gross]

Mat 3:11 ...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mar 1:8 ...but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Luk 3:16 ...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Joh 1:33 ... this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'
Act 1:5 ...but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."
Act 11:16 ...but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

It would seem that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John & Paul would disagree with you. The Holy Spirit baptizes every believer or do you think they got it wrong.

Do all sinners possess the will to come to the Son, NO as many will reject Him. Do sinners possess the power/ability to come to the Son, YES. I agree that God has to draw men to Himself and He does
1] via creation
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
This is why man can not say they did not know there is a God and can be held accountable.
2] via the Gospel
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Those that do hear the gospel message must make the choice either to accept or reject the object of the message. This we see clearly state by John.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

Jesus Baptized His Church that He Founded, on the Day of Pentecost.

The Holy Spirit never baptized anything and Jesus' Baptism, of His Church with The Shekinah Glory on Pentecost, with the Holy Ghost, had nothing to do with Salvation.

 

[Alan Gross]

And here we have a Calvinism claiming Jesus does not baptize with the Spirit.

Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

 

[Van]

Alan Gross said: ↑
Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

Calvinist Gloss is the one who says the lost possess the will and power to come to Christ whether or not God allows it.

 

[Alan Gross]

Alan Gross said: ↑
Try to learn about how God Saves people before worrying about Church Truths.

If all sinners possess the will and power to come to Christ, why did Christ say (John 6:44),
"No man can come unto Me except the Father which hath sent Me draw him?"

Calvinist Gloss is the one who says the lost possess the will and power to come to Christ whether or not God allows it.

He needs to start with, "there is none good, no not one."

 

[Van]

He needs to start with, "there is none good, no not one."

Now we get the idiotic claim that a sinner cannot set his or her mind on spiritual things. Matthew 13 ring a bell? Or Matthew 23:13?

God loved humanity in this way, He gave His uniquely divine Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have everlasting life.