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1 Corinthians 6:15-20

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.” But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him. Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

1 Corinthians 3:5-11

After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us. I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow. It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow. The one who plants and the one who waters work together with the same purpose. And both will be rewarded for their own hard work. For we are both God’s workers. And you are God’s field. You are God’s building. Because of God’s grace to me, I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.

 

Seems like you are looking for an excuse to not follow what God says.

 

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

As males, did your wife tell you you were all saved, or did you make that choice on your own?

Or the literal application: did God use another human to convince you, that you were redeemed, and you just accepted that fact, or did you see the need yourself as a sinner, and make a decision to follow Christ?

The point is: was Adam's disobedience passive or active?

To now obey God as a sinner is that passive or active?

Does it make a difference? If God already redeemed everyone which is the possible default ability of God to do so, it is also our natural position in Adam that declares that redemption null and void. God already accomplished full redemption. Adam made it so no one could be redeemed.

We have a no win situation. Redemption is available, but doing nothing gets us nothing. So being passive is not avoiding work. Being passive is not making a decision about God's redemption, as the work was already done for us.

Adam did nothing, which got us into this condition in the first place, yes? Is eating work? Literally that was what the mouth is supposed to do to work, but is eating really a works mentality the same as physical labor or going beyond the call of duty? The Law that was broken is that Adam ate a certain fruit, not that Adam ate as in the act itself, even if considered work. There was a choice that Adam made, and no one forced Adam, even if Adam literally did no work at all to get to the point of a Choice he could make on his own without any coercion. Not even Eve's coercion.

So no one forced you to be redeemed, even if they convinced you that you should be redeemed.

The act of being in Christ is not even based on different Bible translations that change verbs from passive to active. The act of being in Christ is still a free will choice of every one that only they can make for themselves. A choice is not an actual work.

Every action we do implies that a choice was made first. No matter how much we try to deny that fact. A choice without works is dead. Life without a choice made is also just as dead.

 

You are more wrong than those who follow calvinism. I never mentioned belief or believe once and then you turn my quote into something totally different than what I posted.

You push automatic salvation then declare automatic salvation is wrong.

God does not automatically birth you. Jesus said, "a person must be born again." Jesus did not say many will be born again.

There is a second birth that is spiritual. It is a free will choice. Doing nothing, not making a choice, debating one's opinions, nor God Himself automatically births one into God's family.

Put it this way if you can:

Redemption, the Atonement itself was for all, a done deal. All the work done by God.

Salvation is the free will choice. Salvation is the birth process. You still do nothing. You just choose to leave Adam's womb, and enter the birth canal. Then God pulls you out.

Your opinion is God literally does a C section and drags you out kicking and screaming. The majority of humanity are still in Adam's womb and die that way, ending up in sheol.

 

Austin a major stumbling block for you is your arrogance. You pontificate on what you think scripture means and deny what it actually says. You have an astounding ability to ignore what a person has written and then claim to know what they really meant to say.

The fact that I post scripture in response to your false claims must really bother you as you do seem to go over the top when you make your comments. If you are going to make a comment about me then at least be honest about it.

You will continue to ignore or twist any scripture that does not fit your narrative. That is your right.

While you can question what I say you should stop questioning what God has said.

 

This is the key to your negativity.

How is making a free will choice a willful act?

A choice is not forcing one's self onto God. Adam did not force himself into disobedience.

A choice is accepting something offered. A choice is not demanding one's own rights.

Pop culture is from Satan and has all deceived into confusion.

The Atonement is the redemption of the Cross. You cannot manufacture the gift of this Covenant provided by God, especially not by choice of your right to demand God anything.

You are confusing a free will choice with Satan's version he offered Eve. Satan convinced Eve it was her right and choice to demand knowledge from God by disobedience and eating from the tree. Then you directly relate Eve's act with a free will choice to accept the Atonement of the Cross.

Then you conflate that with Salvation. You call Salvation what Jesus did on the Cross. The Atonement of the Lamb was already a done deal, and every human was redeemed and written in the Lamb's book of life before creation itself. Before Adam was created, all in Adam were already redeemed.

The Atonement and redemption was already declared and worked out before any were physically born and could of a free will accept Salvation. Salvation is the act of accepting one was redeemed already prior to creation.

You do not even point out that God already decided. Predestination was the first act on all of humanity, not the last step in the process where God finally got around to choose you without your consent. You lost all rights to the process before creation.

All you can do is accept the gift. That is the moment Salvation happens, a new birth into God's family. And it is a free will choice, because it is not against your will, and certainly accepting is not against God's will.

Until you settle that point, it is useless to talk about the work of the Holy Spirit or faith.

 

According to you it is automatic. We literally have no say in the matter or choice. You render choice null and void as that is making a demand.

Who wills what?

 

So far you are the only one hurling assertions and accusations. I guess if that is all you have, obviously it is a one sided conversation.

If the truth derails a thread, then perhaps it was on the wrong track.

Your OP is a complaint about different translations.

I was actually trying to have a decent conversation on why it should be passive.

 

Well you offered no explanation. Your whole argument still seems to be based totally on God. How is that not automatic?

You could at least point out your side of the issue.

Why is there a big issue with free will? It does have a dictionary definition.

I grew up with the fact of free will offerings in church.

Was that a passive active way of forcing people to give against their will?

 

How does the NASB say anything different than the ESV?
1 Peter 1:20-21

He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Or the NLT?
1 Peter 1:20-21

God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but he has now revealed him to you in these last days. Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in God because he raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory.

In other words... what's your point???