Featured Understanding John 1:14

If John 1:18 correcty reads Son then all appearances of God in the OT was the Son. Not merely some secondary unique God as Yahweh.

 

What is the meaning of Logos not relative to second person but relative to 'ĕlōhîm

“Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. John 1:1,2

Is the Word different now than in John 1:1,2. Was the Word as the Word heir of God?

Is my concept of Jesus a human being conceived of a virgin out of Spirit, yet in flesh, Holy, and God with us, totally wacko?

 

monogenes. Means to be unique. Like in Hebrews 11:17 regarding Abraham's son.

 

The word monogenes never means to be divine. It is used 9 times in the New Testament, 4 of those who are childern of a human parent. Luke 7:12, Luke 8:42, Luke 9:38 and Hebrews 11:17. Jesus is uniquely God's very Son. As opposed to angels, Job 38:7.

 

I will try and explain my thought. The following is what is said about (G3056) Logos translated Word.

1. of speech
   
   1. a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
      
      
   2. what someone has said
      
      1. a word
         
         
      2. the sayings of God
         
         
      3. decree, mandate or order
         
         
      4. of the moral precepts given by God
         
         
      5. Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
         
         
      6. what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
         
   3. discourse
      
      1. the act of speaking, speech
         
         
      2. the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
         
         
      3. a kind or style of speaking
         
         
      4. a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
         
   4. doctrine, teaching
      
      
   5. anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
      
      
   6. matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
      
      
   7. the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
      
2. its use as respect to the MIND alone
   
   1. reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
      
      
   2. account, i.e. regard, consideration
      
      
   3. account, i.e. reckoning, score
      
      
   4. account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
      
      
   5. relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
      
      1. reason would
         
   6. reason, cause, ground
      
3. In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
   

Now my thought is the following was with God and was God.

1. of speech
   
   1. a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
      
   2. what someone has said
      
      1. a word
         
      2. the sayings of God
         
      3. decree, mandate or order
         
      4. of the moral precepts given by God
         
      5. Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
         
      6. what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
         
   3. discourse
      
      1. the act of speaking, speech
         
      2. the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
         
      3. a kind or style of speaking
         
      4. a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
         
   4. doctrine, teaching
      
   5. anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
      
   6. matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
      
   7. the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
      
2. its use as respect to the MIND alone
   
   1. reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
      
   2. account, i.e. regard, consideration
      
   3. account, i.e. reckoning, score
      
   4. account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
      
   5. relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
      
      1. reason would
         
   6. reason, cause, ground

That in bold became flesh and dwelt among us as the only begotten Son of the Father

The living, speaking God became flesh.

Whereas most want to use a concept of man of interpretation of the Word of God using;
In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.

I believe that robs God of what God has said He has and is doing.

Example.

IMHO for most, the concept of Jesus totally nullifies to possibility of the following taking place;
who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from (out of) death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

For God to destroy the devil and his works God had to die the death. Whatever death is God had to experience (taste) it.
How could an eternal God die?

How about through a Son. of flesh, subject to death and corruption? Then saved out of death and corruption my the Father of him.

Did that take place or did it not take place.

and having been made perfect, he did become to all those obeying him a cause of salvation age-during, Heb 5:9

Did that in bold take place or not? Did it take place in the lowest parts of the earth? Hades?

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself

I wonder if that passage from PS 139 was one of the ones he pointed out to them?

There is a reason i post IMHO so often.

 

If you translated μονογενής as "uniquely divine," you'd be uniquely wrong. The word means "unique" and has been used as "only." You still can't seem to grasp that you can't translated stuff into Greek that isn't there.

If you translated μονογενής as "uniquely divine," what--then--do you do when Isaac is described as Abraham's "μονογενής" in Hebrews 11:17? Are you really prepared to argue that Isaac was divine? If you translate μονογενής as "uniquely divine," then you must also argue that Isaac was divine... as well as the boy with the unclean spirit in Luke 9.

You are simply wrong.

The Archangel

 

That is your understanding. Do you have another commentator or commentators who hold that term monogenes carries the notion of divinity?

 

A side note directly related to being "made flesh" in John 1:14. John 1:3 strongly suggests that the Word Himself brought about His own change being the sole agent of cause being God too, John 1:1-3.

 

While Jesus is unique and He is divine, it's not because of the word μονογενής. Again.... If you insist, as you wrongly do, that it means "divine" in some way, then Isaac is divine as well as the boy in Luke 9.

58.52 μονογενής, ές: pertaining to what is unique in the sense of being the only one of the same kind or class—‘unique, only.’ τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ‘he gave his only Son’ Jn 3:16; τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἀπέσταλκεν ὁ θεός ‘God sent his only Son’ 1 Jn 4:9; τὸν μονογενῆ προσέφερεν ὁ τὰς ἐπαγγελίας ἀναδεξάμενος ‘he who had received the promises presented his only son’ or ‘… was ready to offer his only son’ He 11:17. Abraham, of course, did have another son, Ishmael, and later sons by Keturah, but Isaac was a unique son in that he was a son born as the result of certain promises made by God. Accordingly, he could be called a μονογενής son, since he was the only one of his kind.

Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 590.​

The "deity" idea of John 1:14 comes from the phrase δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός which would be "glory as the unique Son from the Father." It does not come from μονογενής the word.

The Archangel