Sir, I have no actual idea of your concept of Jesus.
The Greek word (G3056) is used to convey more than one meaning, but one of its meaning is the Second Person of the Trinity. This makes Logos relative not only to the Second Person of the Trinity, but as God, Logos is relative to Elohim.
Logos, the Second Person of the Trinity is God and therefore is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. (Hebrews 13:8)
I will try and explain my thought. The following is what is said about (G3056) Logos translated Word.
- of speech
- a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
- what someone has said
- a word
- the sayings of God
- decree, mandate or order
- of the moral precepts given by God
- Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
- what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
- discourse
- the act of speaking, speech
- the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
- a kind or style of speaking
- a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
- doctrine, teaching
- anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
- matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
- the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
- its use as respect to the MIND alone
- reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
- account, i.e. regard, consideration
- account, i.e. reckoning, score
- account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
- relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
- reason would
- reason, cause, ground
- In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
Now my thought is the following was with God and was God.
- of speech
- a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
- what someone has said
- a word
- the sayings of God
- decree, mandate or order
- of the moral precepts given by God
- Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
- what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
- discourse
- the act of speaking, speech
- the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
- a kind or style of speaking
- a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
- doctrine, teaching
- anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
- matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
- the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
- its use as respect to the MIND alone
- reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
- account, i.e. regard, consideration
- account, i.e. reckoning, score
- account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
- relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
- reason would
- reason, cause, ground
That in bold became flesh and dwelt among us as the only begotten Son of the Father
The living, speaking God became flesh.
Whereas most want to use a concept of man of interpretation of the Word of God using;
In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
I believe that robs God of what God has said He has and is doing.
Example.
IMHO for most, the concept of Jesus totally nullifies to possibility of the following taking place;
who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications
unto Him who was able to save him from (out of) death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
For God to destroy the devil and his works God had to die the death. Whatever death is God had to experience (taste) it.
How could an eternal God die?
How about through a Son. of flesh, subject to death and corruption? Then saved out of death and corruption my the Father of him.
Did that take place or did it not take place.
and having
been made perfect, he did become to all those obeying him a cause of salvation age-during, Heb 5:9
Did that in bold take place or not? Did it take place in the lowest parts of the earth? Hades?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself
I wonder if that passage from PS 139 was one of the ones he pointed out to them?
There is a reason i post IMHO so often.
