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Scripture on the Post-Incarnate Christ

asterisktom

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I think that we Christians – like everyone else – have a hard time of thinking outside the box, It is hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rely on the Word of God to help our understanding of spiritual truths.

One such topic is what kind of body He has now. I do not believe that Christ has a physical form now. However I do not think the body He showed immediately post-resurrection is the same type of body He has now – post ascension.(Obviously, it differed from the body of His incarnation.) I think the locked door encounter, John 20:24-29, was still part of His Incarnational mission, the “days of His flesh”, as Hebrews 5:7 puts it. I think there is a hint of this also in 1 Tim. 3:16 (ESV)

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:
He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.”


These are all in the past tense, or at least, because the last of the six events is clearly in the past the preceding five ought to refer to events before it.

In the light of Hebrews 2 I am convinced that Christ being in the flesh was mission-specific. He has no need for a body of flesh and blood now. The purpose for that, according to Scripture, is long gone.

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,”

He became flesh and blood - and suffered in His flesh and shed His blood. I doubt we can fathom the depths of what He did to rescue us and to destroy the one who had the power of death.

However some people assert that Christ is flesh and blood now because of 1 Tim. 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς),”

But this does not prove that Christ is flesh and blood, but that He is the God-Man. And this begs the question: What does it mean to be human? Is flesh and blood required for that? If so, then my Christian father ceased to be human eight years ago when he died. And all the saints who died in Christ also lost their humanity. But I cannot accept this. They joined “the spirits of just men made perfect”, Heb. 12:23.

Our goal is to be like Christ, Christlikeness, not that the Second Person of the Godhead should from the time of His incarnation onward stay flesh and blood. Scripture has no proof of that.
 
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37818

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I think that we Christians – like everyone else – have a hard time of thinking outside the box, It is hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rely on the Word of God to help our understanding of spiritual truths.

One such topic is what kind of body He has now. I do not believe that Christ has a physical form now. However I do not think the body He showed immediately post-resurrection is the same type of body He has now – post ascension.(Obviously, it differed from the body of His incarnation.) I think the locked door encounter, John 20:24-29, was still part of His Incarnational mission, the “days of His flesh”, as Hebrews 5:7 puts it. I think there is a hint of this also in 1 Tim. 3:16 (ESV)

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:
He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.”


These are all in the past tense, or at least, because the last of the six events is clearly in the past the preceding five ought to refer to events before it.

In the light of Hebrews 2 I am convinced that Christ being in the flesh was mission-specific. He has no need for a body of flesh and blood now. The purpose for that, according to Scripture, is long gone.

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,”

He became flesh and blood - and suffered in His flesh and shed His blood. I doubt we can fathom the depths of what He did to rescue us and to destroy the one who had the power of death.

However some people assert that Christ is flesh and blood now because of 1 Tim. 2:5

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς),”

But this does not prove that Christ is flesh and blood, but that He is the God-Man. And this begs the question: What does it mean to be human? Is flesh and blood required for that? If so, then my Christian father ceased to be human eight years ago when he died. And all the saints who died in Christ also lost their humanity. But I cannot accept this. They joined “the spirits of just men made perfect”, Heb. 12:23.

Our goal is to be like Christ, Christlikeness, not that the Second Person of the Godhead should from the time of His incarnation onward stay flesh and blood. Scripture has no proof of that.
Jesus is now eternally man even as He has always been with God, John 1:2 and was always God, John 1:1. He was flesh and bone when He was resurrected and so was when He ascended back to into heaven. Luke 24:39, Acts of the Apostles 1:11. But is no longer flesh and blood, 1 Corinthians 15:50.
 
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Van

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Yes, I have heard Preachers say Jesus is eternally confined to a physical body. I believe the claim is false as God can do as He pleases, such as manifesting Himself with or without a physical body.
 

37818

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Yes, I have heard Preachers say Jesus is eternally confined to a physical body. I believe the claim is false as God can do as He pleases, such as manifesting Himself with or without a physical body.
If Jesus does not now have His physical body there would be no physical resurrection.
1 John 3:2, ". . . when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . ."

1 Corinthians 15:12-14, ". . . Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. . . ."
 
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37818

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Someone on BB a few years back would not allow me to use that verse to prove that Christ is not physical now.
Hebrews 13:8, ". . . Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. . . ." Referring to the post resurrected man, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 24:36-40, ". . . Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. .
. ."
 

Van

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If Jesus does not now have His physical body there would be no physical resurrection.
1 John 3:2, ". . . when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . ."

1 Corinthians 15:12-14, ". . . Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. . . ."
Why not address what I said, God can manifest Himself with or without a physical body. So He has it at His pleasure.
 

37818

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Why not address what I said, God can manifest Himself with or without a physical body. So He has it at His pleasure.
So, Modalism can then be true, and the Trinity is not really needed to be true? That would be a conclusion one could then be argued. God walked in the garden without really walking, in Genesis 3? God is invisible and actually omnipresent. Does not need another to appear on His behalf, as John 1:18 supposed? In other words I cannot agree with your argument.
 

percho

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Questions ?s

Is every verse of 1 Cor 15:35 - 45 applicable to Jesus of Nazareth the only man born of woman who has died and been raised out of the dead to die no more?

What about verse 46 relative to, to date, the only man born of woman who has died and been raised out of the dead to die no more?

Gal 4:4 YLT and when the fulness of time did come, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law,
NKJV But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[fn] [made] of a woman, born under the law,

Did he come, "from," "God is a Spirit," or as if prefer, "Spirit the God," or, "from," somewhere else in heaven?

In what form did he return?

for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,
 

tyndale1946

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1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Brother Glen...:)
 

Van

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So, Modalism can then be true, and the Trinity is not really needed to be true? That would be a conclusion one could then be argued. God walked in the garden without really walking, in Genesis 3? God is invisible and actually omnipresent. Does not need another to appear on His behalf, as John 1:18 supposed? In other words I cannot agree with your argument.
Once again we have a change of subject and a false implication. Disgusting.
God being able to do as He pleases, as He is omnipotent, all powerful, God Almighty does not present "Modalism" or conflict with the Trinity Doctrine.
 
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